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Jian how does this compare to China Japan or others over there? Also what is your opinion of China and their attempts to totally regulate karaoke?

Japan is an advance country and is not much different as compare to the West. Their karaoke outlet may be different; ie karaoke cubical and the use of midi mic.

China is a different ball game. EVERYTHING is controlled by the gov't. It suck, but thats how things are there. I have never been there, but I have been to HK. Name any good Brand and you can be sure the Chinese have the Chinese version of it. I have an sm 58 from china.
My feeling is a big chuck of karaoke outlets in China do not borther to pay royalities.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

A few weeks ago on ebay I bought a usb to ps/2 converter for a laptop for 2 or 3 dollars... After I bought it I noticed the seller was from HK I thought oh god went down to Wallys (Walmart) and bought one  About 3 weeks it showed up...

I have a few t shirts I bought in canada years back. $20 each. Only when I was back home did I realized it was made in china. With $20 Canada, I can buy 4 of those back home.

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

Years ago and I mean years ago an aunt of mine was telling me she bought a sweater from Italy... I looked at the tag it it said made in Tawain... I said its from Taiwan.. She said yea Taiwan Itlaly  I just smiled and said ok

I would be willing to bet that this bar did not pay their ASCAP/BMI fees and ticked someone off in the process.

The fees here run between $400 and $700 per year for the bar. Once they are compliant your good to go.

Every bar I do business with is compliant with them. It's really stupid for the bar owners not to.

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SOCAN is pretty cool to deal with. You pat them and they pay whoever holds the licence for that song. Doesn't matter what company or country they are in.

US congress is looking at having a similar set up. But this is all mixed in with so many other things on the same set of bills, that it cvould be a while. This was actually something I heard on a news cast about 2 months ago. The conversation started around royalty fees on ALL media reproduction equipment, in Canada. It is on all blank media and media printing equipment. (And this is where the news cast was headed) Unfortuatly, that does not licence that copied media for public preformance. Thats a whole other fee..and on they went about it all being TALKED about and adding more thoughts to the set of bills that are being sent to congress to cover the whole shabang.

There have been a few bars hit in canada also. But here, they are also trying to go after the KJ if the bar has not paid the fee. The courts have the right to go after the music proivider. Meaning, DJ or KJ or Band. As KJs and DJs use recorded media, they are also liable for the fees if the bar doesnt pay. Till now, they have very seldom used that, but have started taking the stand that, ultimately, it's the music provider that is responsable.

Guess we will just have to wait and see how those court cases go for now..

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I agree with the approximately $5 per show figure.    If your bar has to pay it and you still want the job give them the $5.   You can deduct it on your income tax.

Out of curiousity I googled bull and bear.. They do have a web site  I am surprised this place wasnt paying..

I also emailed the paper requesting followups and even invited the reporter to join KS and keep us informed I dont thnk they realise the national interest or even worldwide interest this case generates.

It says that they had notices before, they ignored them.   So they were made an example to everyone else.  Pay up or die.    We'll kill your business.

Someone has to be the example, may as well be someone that was warned first & didn't pay.

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Yea I can see a little dive with an ancient jukebox in the corner balking but this looks like a professional kick-ass go to place with a lot of good entertainment. Amazing...

Maybe they were paying the live music portion & figured they were covered via that license??

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 I would like to know if that was a factor also...
  There has to be more to the story... I would like to know what politics if any were involved and hear his side of the story.. Something just dont add up.

I'm going to also look at the public records, and the NY State Judicial area's in that County of NY....   I'm curious what else they are, or aren't doing.  They might've gotten raided for other activity, for all we know... Syracuse is a huge college area, perhaps they were busted for serving minors too... SOmething likely made them this visible first, besides this copyright stuff..  Didn't a bar in Fairfield Cnty Connecticut also recently get busted for this type thing ?  I recall JamKaraoke posted something about a bar in Southern Ct area not too long ago..

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Keep on trying to contact the reporter & bring him hear or at least some scoop?

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The original article is gone It did have the reporters (gal) email addy at the end but I didnt get it. papers web All I know for sure is he goes before a judge the 28th of next month. Maybe if some more here requested info we would get a response.

Just found some local blogs

It looks to be a respectable little Pub.

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I wonder what year that Precision bass is !   Nice !!

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