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And those are the generic karaoke shows that are only charging $75.00 a night and stealing business from the KJs who invest in good sound and quality CD+Gs.  Bar Owners are getting cheap and really don't care what karaoke sounds like as long as people sing and drink.

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Exactly & that's what GETS the bar owners/managers mentality in that frame of mind - why bother paying more for quality stuff & good hosts when people will still fill the seats regardless.  Karaoke will NEVER grow anymore as long as these shows are supported.

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So bigdog, you seem to think that the bars are paying you to keep the nonsingers happy.  They can do that for free without karaoke!  Places hire karaoke to attract singers, not nonsingers!  

If you want to attract nonsingers, you do what lbister does at his nightclub--HIRE STRIPPERS and a mule!

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I am so lucky, my bar has me there for the singers, not the non singers.   I am with the majority, I only sing when it's needed or the singers ASK me for help.  I do not sing a song to upbeat or slow the crowd.  I am there for the the singers and like Big Mike said if they don't want to sing they can go to the other bar that doesn't have karaoke here.  (We dont' have strippers or a mule)   I can guarantee our parking lot is a lot fuller than theirs on karaoke night.  When I want to sing I go to other places to do it.  As for those that don't have the "choice" systems?  There are lots, but I will still support them  Not everyone has all that money to invest, especially on start up.  Some of them don't really have the knowledge yet of what they truly need but they all (as we did) need to start somewhere.  I am also one that does karaoke here for the fun of doing it.  Not because it is my income...if it ever stops being fun, then my equipment will stay home with me.  I also am not going to whine that I have to bring in all my equipment to set up and do it in reverse...sometimes five hours later for me when the singers are home in bed.  That is what I get paid to do.  This isn't to offend anyone...just my 2 cents worth

So your singers out number the nonsingers.   I guess this is true for every KJ and I'm in the minority.    I'm confused.    I have been doing it all wrong for 14 years.

So the bar owners don't want anybody in the bar, except the 25 singers.    Sorry if you don't sing you can't spend your money here.  :no:   My competition is right across the street, go spend your non singing money over there you bum.    I have my 25 singer limit.   I have the best KJ on this block, look 25 singers and no non singers loafing here, he's the best.

Now I know why you are KJs and not bar owners.  You aren't smart enough to have the 40 IQ required for the license.

[highlight=crimson]Your bar owners are being so screwed by you.[/highlight]    You seriously think you don't need to have and keep nonsingers.    What planet is this?  This must be the Last Comic Standing, right?    Where is the hidden camera?  

Talk about bad KJs.    Who would hire you to cater only to the singers, with no regard to keeping the nonsingers happy and in the bar spending money.   A TOTAL FREAKIN' IDIOT, that's who.

Change your name to Karaoke by Idiot.

Very well said sweetemt2.........    :hi5:

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Quick, get the bouncer, a nonsinger is trying to get in to spend some money.   We can't have that.    Who does he think he is?    WE have singers tonight.    Didn't he see the sign.   NO NON SINGER MONEY ON KARAOKE NIGHT.   Hiring this KJ was the best money I never made.    

Tonight I counted 45 people in the bar, 42 of them were singing tonight!

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And if you had 20 non singers you would want them to leave?

My average is 15-30 singers and maybe 50-80 total people.   Should I want 50 people to leave?   That doesn't even make sense to the goofy dictator of North Korea.

If you are in a bar where karaoke is still something of a novelty, the regulars (non-singers) are still learning about karaoke, most of the singers are relative newcomers and their main purpose is singing as much as they can then the old method of what I hear here works. What works in your venue will not work in the old karaoke bars here, nor will it work at grad,birthday, homecoming, famlily reunions, or any ther party. Our singers are people we have sang with for 10-15 years in various bars. The non-singers or bar crowd are in the same category. They have drank and danced in the same bars and as an old kj moved on they moved on with them. If they go on vacation or to a different town uess what they go to a karaoke bar. They know as much about karaoke as anybody here.

 More and more singers have a decent system at home and when they go out their main purpose is not singing but relaxing with old friends..Some dont even care if they sing every round. If they go to another town and seek out a karaoke bar that has the old venue that the main purpose is running as many singers thru and the music is so loud they cant visit with somebody sitting right next to them they wont stay long or go back..  This goes for the non-singers too. This is why the bars with their $75 a nite KJ and the smaller relaxed crowd is working.

Some of the arguments I have read here is rediculous and most born out inexperience. Come do our sons of silence all night biker  gig and see how long your rules and in the same rut methods last. On the other extreme I just did the all nighter at the farm It lasted from 7p until 5 in the morning. I had several running the show including 11 year old kids In fact the first 2 or 3 hours the main singers were kids and kids were running it.. I rent out systems to kids for slumber parties.. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to KJ or DJ a show when the system is set up right... But it does take experience to read a crowd, and be able to adapt in a dynamic way that caters to the situation. It takes experience with weddings and all kinds of parties and the ability to host different venues from the old way and everything in between

 Our filler music comes from playlists that are built by genre tempo etc  It will range from playing complete dance sets to no filler at all... An older crowd does not like loud constant noise so in that situation the volume is lower. I can setup in your bar and run a rotation of 30 singers Heaven knows I have years doin it. Or I can hire out to any venue or party with different requirements and adapt to any crowd for KJ or DJ.....I watched over years how rules and regs ruined pool and dart leagues and I have seen leagues in towns destroyed by people who wanted to argue rules instead of competing. What works in one bar probably wont on the other coast and anybody that wants to apply their rules or methods to every other bar in the world is nuts...

[highlight=red]Change you name to Karaoke by Idiot[/highlight].

Well this certainly shows me your IQ doesn't it.  You can't take any one elses opinion in stride.  You can't come up with anything else but to end with a name calling response.  How dare you try to reference that I am screwing the bar owners.  I know they would put you right in your place.  With your over inflated attitude about your (whoopie t Doo) 14 years of experience you would think you would have learned some people skills.

Geez, Mike, you're giving away my trade secrets!  The fact of the matter is that we had to get rid of the mule because of complaints to the ASPCA.  Despite our disclaimer that "no mules were injured during the performance of this show" the ASPCA muttered something about lewd behavior.  Besides the mule never complained and it appeared to me that he had a smile on his face at the end of every show.  Oh well . . . upward and onward.

Larry

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Who said that?  Most of the non-singers (at our club) come in WITH singers & are there to watch & listen - therefore I am catering to the non-singers as well.

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Most of my crowd are people who sing, but I can't say I don't try to get everyone to
to have fun. And I don't really think that is what is being said here. On a good night even the nonsingers are singing along and dancing. I have nonsingers come to karaoke because they have fun interacting with what's going on onstage. The singers of course are my main concern, but I like to see everyone having a good time. We all do what works best for us in our venues and I totally agree that a wedding is different than a bar gig. I try to control the mood the best I can to keep
everyone wanting to stay. I have a lot of regulars and know how to place them in rotation as they come in, so I don't have a lot of down songs in a row. I place new arrivals in the rotation, not all at the end, but 4 or 5 singers down in the rotation. Of course once they are in that rotation order they stay there. Yes I have sung an upbeat song, sing-a-long song or a conga line song to get the crowd going if my singers are bringing the mood down. Everyone has the right to sing what ever they'd like and sometimes there is no way to get a party mood going and that's okay. But if
I can use little tricks to make them have more fun I will.

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I live in the burbs about 20 miles out of a major city.   If you draw a 50 mile circle from Downtown, there are hunderds of karaoke shows a week.  I am willing to bet that in that circle 90% of the gigs have more nonsingers than singers.   If there are 25 singers and nobody else, they can not spend enough money to pay to have karaoke and pay the help, electric, water, etc.   These bars need every head they can attract.   If they aren't having fun because the singers are boring them with slow songs or too much country music, they will leave.    The bar is a for profit operation.    I'm very sure that your bar owner would not be very happy about you chasing away paying customers, by not caring if they are also having fun.   My singers are very well taken care of by me.   But I am trying very hard to keep the non singers there and just as happy.    Not every singer brings a group of non singers.

This could be another one of those regional things where your crowds are filled by way more singers than non singers.     If I have 20 singers the rule is generally there will be 30-40 non singers.   What should I do?    Not care if they stay and spend enough money to pay me for the night?   Chase them away?    Make sure they are totally bored so they spread the word that this place is boring?    To help kill the crowd.    I frankly don't understand some of your answers.

My 8 years old Saturday night karaoke still has 2-3-4-5 times more non singers.   I'm really screwing this bar.

IMO if you are not at least thinking about how the non singing crowd is reacting and make adjustments to try and insure that they are having a good time and not being bored senseless, you are doing the bar owner a disservice.   If your attitude is that they can go somewhere else, your goofy.    The bigger the cash register take the more money your show is worth.   That means you could ask for more than the $75 you get now, because that is all you can draw.   That's how the bar owner is going to look at it, if the place is packed with people, be it singers or nonsingers.    Do you want the bar half full or packed.   What do think helps your reputation and how much you can charge?

Non singers spend money too. (Probably more than the singers per person.)    Don't ignore them, because you think they don't matter because it's "karaoke" night.

On second thought, just keep doing it they way you do.   In the long run it'll mean less competition.

Exactly what I will continue to do, it's worked successfully for 14 years.

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Have your singers always out numbered the nonsingers?

No not always, last night was not common but it does happen, but our non-singers are generally there to listen to who's there.  Most come in with singers, may not be the norm there, but it happens often here.  So basically since the non-singers are there with singing friends or are just there to listen - I am catering to the non-singers as well.  If you singing a song is going to keep the non-singing crowd at your club - guess I don't understand how one song is going to accomplish that feat.

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BigDog, I can see through many of the other posts that your puffed up BigDog, Good ole Boy attitude is all over this site.  Anyone who would resort to name calling degrading posts like you have because of someone's opinion doesn't deserve the time it would take me to respond. But guess what I am going to do it anyway.

My karaoke works for me! It works for my bar..it works for my singers and it ALSO works for my non singers!  Your rude comments about my IQ claiming I wouldn't be smart enough to be a bar owner?  What about your great 14 years of experience?  I guess since you have done KJ for so many years your still working on getting that bar license right?

Like I said before, I have a day job, which I love, working with seniors, Director of a Senior Nutirition Program, County Departmant Head,  I am an Emergency Medical Technician II for 14 years volunteer, I have been with the volunteer fire department for 15 years, my list can go on and on.  All of these things I have done in the same community for many years.     Quit throwing your resume out there to me.  I am not impressed...14 years experience as a KJ....WOW!!  

Again, some people skills might help, they have classes for that you know.  Treat people how you want to be treated, maybe with a little respect you might get some in return.