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OK,  this isn't exactly music,  but I couldn't resist  LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZFZngyh ... d%20genius



It sucks being an adult... Especially when 7 year old's like this have more talent in their pinky finger than you ever will..... and on that note.... time for bed  :(

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

That young drummer is better than Buddy Rich ever was.  

Bigdog,  that young black drummer is the most talented youngster in that age bracket I've ever seen in my life in a style I'm familiar with.... I can't gage it in comparison with some 6 year Oriental prodigy for instance playing suzuki violin style, because it's nothing I'm as familiar with,  but that youngster floored me... KEep in mind, there was no special lighting, or strobing to make his solo look more than it was.... that was all plain video with no special fx found in many stage situations in rock concerts..... I've NEVER seen anything like that before in my life...

Do you recall the 12 year old blues prodigy about 15-18 years ago, played on Carson towards the last years, and Letterman.  His name was Nathan Cavalieri ?  Kid had leukemia, and was sponsored by Peavey ?   He was amazing..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

So you take 4 musicians of that caliber,  around 9-11 years old....Can you imagine the band ?

Thing is, by 14, some of these kids are really fantastic.... and the competition get's tougher.... Remember Eric Gales when he was 14 ?   Kid was nailing Hendrix, and SRV..... How about Joe Bonnamosa ?  At 14 he was amazing...

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

Curiously Dog (perhaps you know this junk already but I always love sharing things I've learned), Buddy Rich was a child prodigy on the drums and was known as "Baby Traps" in vaudeville as a youngster.  My favorite story about this period of his life is when the child labor law enforcers were making the rounds, his parents would put a cigar in his mouth and pass him off as a dwarf.  

For the music I like, he was the ultimate drummer--listening to him at his peak during the swing era on some of the recordings he made with (especially) Dorsey and later Artie Shaw it made you realize just how important a good drummer was to those bands and the enormous difference it made in the ferocity of their ensemble playing.

 LMAO

How old was Buddy Rich when he made his first appearance on stage ?  I don't recall any of this...


When a 7 year old is able to stand up to Ed Shaugnessy,   How much room is left to "Get good" ?  These kids become stronger drummers (when they gain some body mass), but they are excellent drummers even when pre-teens    Actually, come to think of it,  most of these 7 year olds are already bigger than Max Weinberg..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

From what I know he had been performing as a drummer and a tap dancer (I understand he was adroit at this too) probably when he was old enough to walk!

Steve if you want to hear some simply MARVELOUS drumming by him and hear, literally with your own ears (sorry) how the man pumped up any band he played with look for a recording of Artie Shaw's "The Carioca".  The take I refer to is RCA's standard issue, released in just about all Shaw collections, and is actually an aircheck.  I can send you the file if you'd like.  Laters, Michael

that seem's logical to me  :shock:




You see Michael,  when you say Coroico to a nutcase like me, this is what pop's into my head... Coroica road Columbia, or La Yungus road in coroica.. Fondly called "The World's most dangerous road" by bike expeditions, and mountain bikers, (as well as folks who've lost loved ones on it !)  See the bend on the left portion of the road ?  THat's a sheer dropoff on a sandy ONE lane road (traffic often goes two directions) of 4000 feet..no guardrails road at times gives way..by the edges too..

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

I need to lookup how many of todays well known actor's/actresses, dancer's, and musicians were childhood prodigy's..  Also what percentage of childhood prodigy is still famous in 25 years... Once these kid's mature... they're often just  has been's due to the rigorous competition in the adult age group in their craft

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".

You know, when a kid can do something amazing it always impresses me. However, when I see it, I often wonder how much they were pushed by their parents. My son is a very good singer already, when he was 7 he got up in front of his class and sang Superman by Five for Fighting. He nailed everything about the song, he even knew what kind of inflection to use on the notes... it had me completely stunned. I always encourage him to sing, but I don't push him. If I could get him to record more than he does it would make me so happy, but I have a hard time getting him to sit still long enough to. I am not going to put pressure on him. If he decides that singing is his calling I will support him 200%, but I am not going to make him go to voice lessons unless HE wants them etc. A lot of these "prodigies" are as amazing as they are because they have taken incredible pressure from their parents to improve themselves. I think it's pretty rare that someone really young is driven of their own desire to improve to unbelievable levels. Yeah it happens, but remember that behind almost every "child prodigy" is a showbiz mom and/or dad. That is why so many of them don't look really comfortable.. as Charmin mentioned about the girl with the violin. I used to know a 14 year old who could play cello unbelievably, but he confided in me that he really didn't want to play anymore, he was doing it to avoid  upsetting his Dad. That made me sad.

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Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. (I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.)

If he nails inflection and EVERYTHING about the song,  that's natural ability,  you can't "Push" a 6 or 7 year old kid to do that I don't think... But just like Michael was saying, and it's a good point.... When they get older or EVEN when that age or younger, to push them into a setting that's inappropriate for youngsters, is it really in THEIR best interest ? or a problem/ need that the parents have, and in actuality a form of inadvertent abuse stressing the kid out ? .... Look at that whole Jon b Ramsey situation, dressing a 6 year old up like a woman model with pervs in the world today, how is that in her best interest, especially if the family is relatively high profile ?  How smart is that really ?  Or anything that stresses vocal chords is counter-productive for a youngster, what kind of future do they have, if they are trained to add gravel, and rasp, and bellow out from a body that can't yet take that abuse ?...

WHen I was 5 I was forced to take "Figure skating",  I was no natural, the teacher was so damn strict, that we got screamed at, and smacked for what we couldn't do, now today that'd be called abuse,  in my day, it was "Doing what's best to get them to do the task at hand and succede".... I (at five) couldn't do a deep knee squat with leg extended out in front of me and skate under a low bar... I was humiliated in front of the whole class,  it wasn't until I was hysterically screaming about not wanting to go back, that my mom started to believe,  well maybe this isn't a good thing for *him at five*...  I was started in music before I can remember... but they allowed the enjoyment, and positive attention to feed into an enjoyable cycle, before the stricter classical training began... (but THAT was at five)... I played Seton Hall auditorium at 6 before I knew how many people I was performing in front of.... THe lights blinded me, and they never told me... It's a good thing, because after the performance they told me that the balcony was all full of people, and I sort've freaked....  Thing is musically I was never terribly pushed... Now with the girl's expression playing violin.... It's difficult, and she's probably VERY nervous...  SHe has a camera pointing in her face... and is being told "Don't pay attention to the camera"... and she has to focus on technique... It hard, doesn't mean she doesn't love the violin.... It's a TOUGH instrument physically to play at that age..

I grew up with constant corporal punishment,  in school, homework, test grades, it was just part of "being strict" in those days... For some it even worked, for others it ruined things.... TUrns out that what was made enjoyable for me, Is what I excelled in.... What I was brutally punished for... (technical stuff), I have a block against...

I think alot has to do with individual disposition.  Think about it.. Some kid's do seem to be able to handle more pressure than others... Some people become stronger from going thru hell, some of us crack even at older ages... There's a certain amount of individual character that need's to be taken into consideration... Yet is it ever healthy to push a youngster into the rigor's of prodigy type performing ?

I don't know..

It likely doesn't take long to find out. Assuming the adults are attentive to the actual needs of the kid... SInce I've never taken child psych, or formal education courses on early years, or child developmental psych... I know none of this stuff... I'd say "I'll ask my mom"  (She's got her MSW, and studied all this stuff), but that'd sound pretty tacky..   I am curious now about this...

OK,  I'm calling my mom..  

Kappy <----- World's oldest special need's child...

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Northeast United States runner up for the "Singing Hall of Shame".