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| Author: | chrisavis [ Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
"Radio stations might be forced to pull dozens of top artists starting January 1st — or pay a $150,000 penalty per song, thanks to a contract spat now playing itself out in public." http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/songwriters-accuse-radio-stations-illegal-cartel-n694031 |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
Would be interesting to see the entire list and how many of them coincide with the 'no fly list'. |
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| Author: | KarenB [ Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
Will also be interesting to see how many artists/songwriters disappear off the face of the earth from lack of exposure when no one will touch their work. |
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| Author: | BigJer [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
The complete list is in their website. It's not the same as the No Fly list http://globalmusicrights.com/faqs |
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| Author: | BigJer [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
I see it as an advantage for us. The dispute is with the radio only. People can hear the songs at our shows. |
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| Author: | jdmeister [ Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
This has been boiling for quite a while.. My radio buddies claim they need to play a song less than 60 seconds (A sample) before it's counted as a "Play". With all the tax revenue disappearing from blank CD sales, the writers are screaming. Music CDs are in the dumper too.. Next is the DVD crash.. |
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| Author: | KarenB [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
BigJer wrote: I see it as an advantage for us. The dispute is with the radio only. People can hear the songs at our shows. Nah, it'd be the vicious circle of not played on radio so no one would know about the song therefore no demand. No demand, no Karaoke version produced so no title for me to purchase and even if by some chance it did get produced I wouldn't waste my money on a title that no one would sing because they'd never heard of the song or possibly even the artist(s). Have enough dead titles from established artists as it is, don't need more. |
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| Author: | southernsounds4u [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
BigJer wrote: The complete list is in their website. It's not the same as the No Fly list http://globalmusicrights.com/faqs This is getting asinine , when I operated my own restaurant I had Ascap and Bmi license which were around $1000 a year for both, now there's someone else (global) with their hand out wanting you to pay for a small fraction of artist like Sesac has. I don't know who the greedy one's really are, but its getting ridiculous. |
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| Author: | BigJer [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
southernsounds4u wrote: BigJer wrote: The complete list is in their website. It's not the same as the No Fly list http://globalmusicrights.com/faqs This is getting asinine , when I operated my own restaurant I had Ascap and Bmi license which were around $1000 a year for both, now there's someone else (global) with their hand out wanting you to pay for a small fraction of artist like Sesac has. I don't know who the greedy one's really are, but its getting ridiculous. The global rights group is strictly concerned with the radio stations. It won't effect karaoke hosts or venues. |
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| Author: | BigJer [ Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
KarenB wrote: BigJer wrote: I see it as an advantage for us. The dispute is with the radio only. People can hear the songs at our shows. Nah, it'd be the vicious circle of not played on radio so no one would know about the song therefore no demand. No demand, no Karaoke version produced so no title for me to purchase and even if by some chance it did get produced I wouldn't waste my money on a title that no one would sing because they'd never heard of the song or possibly even the artist(s). Have enough dead titles from established artists as it is, don't need more. Karen most of their artists are established artists and now there are things like YouTube, Spotify, etc. So radio doesn't have quite the same monopoly it used to. |
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
BigJer wrote: KarenB wrote: BigJer wrote: I see it as an advantage for us. The dispute is with the radio only. People can hear the songs at our shows. Nah, it'd be the vicious circle of not played on radio so no one would know about the song therefore no demand. No demand, no Karaoke version produced so no title for me to purchase and even if by some chance it did get produced I wouldn't waste my money on a title that no one would sing because they'd never heard of the song or possibly even the artist(s). Have enough dead titles from established artists as it is, don't need more. Karen most of their artists are established artists and now there are things like YouTube, Spotify, etc. So radio doesn't have quite the same monopoly it used to. i agree to a point, but so far i can not remember the last time someone came in asking for the song they just heard on YouTube or Spotify, but every one has been what they heard on the radio. terrestrial radio is going down, but not dead by far. |
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| Author: | MtnKaraoke [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
Terrestrial radio has lost ground to the internet and that is a fact. Music services have created access, choice and personalization along with targeted ads. Satellite radio took a big chunk of the terrestrial radio audience that listens in their car. When was the last time that you listened to terrestrial radio at home? For talk or for music? I use several music services and internet radio to check out new music and old favorites, mostly ad-free. But if you believe the following sources' stats, radio is still number one in market reach on a weekly basis. Source: http://www.newsgeneration.com/broadcast-resources/radio-facts-and-figures/ |
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| Author: | rickgood [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Songwriters Accuse Radio Stations of 'Illegal Cartel' |
If you do any events with pre-teens and up to 15, you'll get dozens of requests for songs from YouTube that are not, nor ever have been recorded and played on commercial radio. YouTube is their world. They either stream or YouTube music. Radio will die when us old geezers do. |
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