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What the h! I knew it! I’ve been downloading like crazy the past few weeks using up my 135 credits, then I ignore my instinct like nah, it ain’t gonna happen. Then this!

They could’ve at least provide a link so I can initiate refund for my remaining 48 credits.

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To be fortunate enough to derive an income from a source as fulfilling as karaoke music has got to be as close to heaven as we can get here on earth!

Luckily I only had 16 credits left, but this sucks!

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From their facebook page regarding refunds:

TriceraSoft Support Ticket System: http://www.tricerasoft.com/cgi-bin/tickets/index.asp - include your account number and use the email for the account so we can confirm you.

And you're right Lonnie it does suck!

It's like any other lawsuit: either quit doing what you're doing, or pay to settle for doing what you've been doing. If you were "legal to start with" then there's nothing a lawsuit can do to prevent or stop it.

Tricerasoft was ordered by the court (by an injunction) to stop selling EMI/Sony material and they did not. They took down some songs and blocked some IP addresses, but they continued to sell others.

This should not have been a surprise to anyone. (Pacer.gov is your friend)

Why is it when pep sues a kj or venue, it's perfectly okay and they are only "protecting their intellectual property" like some downtrodden victim, but when a publisher does it, the publisher is "mean and greedy?" What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

This is no different than a pep lawsuit: either pay them what they want by settling, or stop selling the product entirely.

Repeat: If they were in fact, as "legal" as they present themselves to be, a lawsuit couldn't stop them like this.

Sadly, this is not news..

Karaoke producers have been rumored (Yes, just a rumor) to license a few thousand titles, and press that few thousand over again a few times. Or more.

You all know the drill, send a "Single Session" C D to the MFG facility, they create a "Master" and press the order plus or minus for "Accidents".
Maybe a few to sell on the side.. Who's to know?

And then, they invented the CD-R with built in printer.. No master needed..
Product never leaves the office. (Warehouse?)

Yes of course we are licensed. See, it's printed right on the disk.

FYI, I requested a refund for my remaining credits, and they reimbursed me within about 2 hours of my request. Lightning quick.

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You hit the nail on the head jdmiester, and just as "sadly," I still don't think that most KJ's here understand why there is a suit if Tricerasoft was - as they claimed they were - "paying fees."

It's quite possible to "pay your fees" for distribution of a track. But that distribution (as jdmeister alluded to) is not "forever and endless distribution." The original IP was licensed for a "specific number of discs/downloads etc" and eventually, that number was reached.

If the publisher licensed a manufacturer to sell 1,000 discs the first time around, it doesn't go on forever just because it's converted to a digital track. Somewhere down the line, the licensing expires and MUST be renewed. As evidenced by manufacturers of discs --including DKKaraoke, SC, PS, PRiddis, etc.. that have "lost songs" that they could not renew the licensing for. The DK Millennium for example was missing a number of songs from the original release.

However, in this business (as jdmeister said) pressed "overruns" have often overtaken the original license limits.

So now we have DTE, Allstar, Karaoke.net, karaoke version, BKD, .................YUP this sucks.

I can still download from SBI and zoom, using my home address, through google. Nothing underhanded.

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That is not how licensing has historically worked. Publishers don't license for a specific number of discs or impressions. They license for a specific period of time, such as two or three years. The producer is free to press and sell as many discs during that time as the producer can commercially justify. Historically, publishers required payment of an advance, against which the per-impression royalty would be recouped as sales were generated, but that advance was not a maximum number of discs that could be pressed.

Publishers are generally very happy to see sales exceed the recoupment number, because that's more money in their pockets.

When a license expires, there is generally a "sell off" period for existing stock, as long as the number is commercially reasonable.

It is exceptionally rare for a song to be "lost" because the publisher is no longer willing to license it. (It does happen, but it's rare.) Rather, what's much more likely is that at the point of a new license, a new advance would be required, and the anticipated future sales of that item don't justify paying the advance.

All’s well that ends well, not an absolute true statement because they’re now out of business. But I did get my refund within 2 ½ hours. Thanks, Karen.

So, aside from custom made cdg’s overseas, we are now down to a few download sites: dte, kv, ksf, zoom, sunfly & allstar. What else is there?

Too bad we’re not allowed to download from karaoke channel and stingray. According to their tos they’re for personal/home use only.

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Stretching the truth a bit aren't you sport?

This is kind of like you saying that SC has NEVER been able to provide "downloadable songs" either, which is also not true. "Unwilling" is not "unable" at all.

How would you like to see a (redacted) license that SC not only
(a) Licensed for a specific number of "impressions" (1,500)
(b) Licensed for a specific period of time (3 years) and,
(c) Licensed for downloads ("# of download units")

That depends entirely on who authored the contract doesn't it?

Please give us an example of just 1 of the thousand of discs SC issued where they actually paid more than the advance...
Just 1


Not that rare, as a matter of fact, SC created the gem series in the U.K. specifically to sell again songs that licenses had expired and other material. (Part of the declaration remember?.... )


So, you want to explain to your "loyal and certified customers" here why SC has not sold downloadable songs even though SC licensed them and paid the advance? I have my own idea(s) and so does jdmeister... and I doubt that you'd like either one of them.

Please stop feeding us the same bull over and over again.. You're an attorney, get creative.


CLICK HERE FOR THE REDACTED CONTRACT

btw: Don't even ask, I'm not about to show you the rest. (and no, it's not from "Red Peters")

PSS: I expect you'll be telling me that a "phonorecord" is limited to a disc.... It's not:

I give up. I don't need "new" music just the old stuff I don't have. I had 1 credit left, not worth going after.

They aren't 'out of business', they just cannot sell to US and Canada. Possibly means their lawsuit with EMI/SOny is coming to a conclusion in EMI's favor.

Still not sure how US buyers are downloading from Sunfly. I have tried several times from several different computers (different houses) and once I get to the page to enter payment info, it doesn't allow for me to enter any info and has a statement at the top pf the checkout page, "If you are ordering from America you will not be able to proceed through to payment. " and stops the transaction right there!

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American Jockeys are just downloading them for free...90% of them anyway.

That's a mechanical license, not a karaoke license. It's for the sound recording only, not a synchronized audiovisual work. SC did have downloadable tracks that it sold via iTunes and other sites, for noncommercial use, but they were not karaoke tracks.

Mechanical licenses do generally specify a certain number of units, but that's irrelevant to karaoke licensing.

DTE. What site is that? I have not used karaoke.net. I thought allstars was for personal use only now?

Unreal.

That might be a crippling blow to North American karaoke. Sad.

Nice try, but no cigar. If you want to continue to claim the above, the publisher that sent me this license said this was the only form used for licensing so, you are by default admitting that the karaoke track of this song was not properly licensed for karaoke use.

You can claim whatever you want, but I know who I'd rather believe.

DTE - Karaoke Cloud
All Star is for kj's too

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