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Stopping lawsuits is easy. Stop stealing. No theft, no lawsuit.

So if you don't steal from them how could they possibly sue you for stealing their products? Sometimes it is just that simple.

I am getting tired of this lawsuit bs!!! Every time I look for a song, that I know used to be on karaoke, now it's gone!! I wish Sony would DIE!! They are FORCING people to go to file sharing sites to find music. I haven't yet, but I don't have many other ideas for buying songs. Getting tired of this crap!! They are TRYING to kill Karaoke!!

timberlea wrote:

So if you don't steal from them how could they possibly sue you for stealing their products? Sometimes it is just that simple.

I am not talking about the SC lawsuits. i am talking about the Sony lawsuits that are forcing everyone to stop selling songs. I have been watching songs disappear like crazy. I am not saying that I am going to start stealing, nor am I saying that it would be the right thing to do. What I AM saying that these Sony lawsuits are creating a shortage of music, which IS going to cause MORE Piracy. That is GOING to be the end result. Simple as that.

True colors being displayed.

No one is being "forced" to go to illegal file sharing.

If you cannot obtain the song by legal means, then you simply cannot obtain the song.

Unless of course, you "never pay for music" and believe that theft can be justified.

Lonman makes a good point. If you want the track(s), you can get them on custom disc, just not download.

That's the cost of doing business... if you're concerned with being legit.

Statements like this drive me crazy...you can apply this way of thinking to pretty much eveything..

If you can not get from here to there without driving over the speed limit then just don't drive...UNREAL

Oh and yes I still get the "can you just play it from you tube" and my response without further explanation is, "sorry but I can't" with a smile and then respond "check out my song list of other great current songs you might want to sing". I still have many happy singers that return to my shows every week!
Happy New Year to you and Your Family!

rumbolt wrote:

I HAVE been explaining it to my customers. It just sucks that I have to do that, instead of providing the songs they want, like I have been doing since I started doing this. I just hope this crap stops soon.

Clearly, we will all be stuck with Taylor Swift for new music.

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:	GETTING TIRED!!!
I am getting tired of this lawsuit bs!!! Every time I look for a song, that I know used to be on karaoke, now it's gone!! I wish Sony would DIE!! They are FORCING people to go to file sharing sites to find music. I haven't yet, but I don't have many other ideas for buying songs. Getting tired of this crap!! They are TRYING to kill Karaoke!!

Author:	Lonman [ Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:25 am ]
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Depends on where you are going. SBI still has a lot of stuff that isn't available for download, but you MAY have to actually buy a custom disc (egad) to get the songs.

Author:	timberlea [ Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:48 am ]
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Stopping lawsuits is easy. Stop stealing. No theft, no lawsuit.

Author:	jdmeister [ Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:34 am ]
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timberlea wrote: Stopping lawsuits is easy. Stop stealing. No theft, no lawsuit. If only.. In a perfect world perhaps, yet I still see lawsuits for every made up reason imaginable, none real. Defend yourself, or be judged guilty.

Author:	rickgood [ Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:54 am ]
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Smooth, You haven't been hacking into their email accounts have you?

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Author:	MtnKaraoke [ Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:50 am ]
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True colors being displayed. No one is being "forced" to go to illegal file sharing. If you cannot obtain the song by legal means, then you simply cannot obtain the song. Unless of course, you "never pay for music" and believe that theft can be justified. Lonman makes a good point. If you want the track(s), you can get them on custom disc, just not download. That's the cost of doing business... if you're concerned with being legit.

Author:	Paradigm Karaoke [ Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:38 pm ]
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timberlea wrote: Stopping lawsuits is easy. Stop stealing. No theft, no lawsuit. if only you had any clue what you were talking about.

Author:	timberlea [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:02 am ]
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So if you don't steal from them how could they possibly sue you for stealing their products? Sometimes it is just that simple.

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:33 am ]
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timberlea wrote: So if you don't steal from them how could they possibly sue you for stealing their products? Sometimes it is just that simple. I am not talking about the SC lawsuits. i am talking about the Sony lawsuits that are forcing everyone to stop selling songs. I have been watching songs disappear like crazy. I am not saying that I am going to start stealing, nor am I saying that it would be the right thing to do. What I AM saying that these Sony lawsuits are creating a shortage of music, which IS going to cause MORE Piracy. That is GOING to be the end result. Simple as that.

Author:	mrmarog [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:08 am ]
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timberlea wrote: So if you don't steal from them how could they possibly sue you for stealing their products? Sometimes it is just that simple. Timberlea, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Several people have been sued for the crime of transferring their legally owned music. Talk about a victimless crime in those situations.

Author:	rumbolt [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:22 am ]
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Smoothedge69 wrote: I am getting tired of this lawsuit bs!!! Every time I look for a song, that I know used to be on karaoke, now it's gone!! I wish Sony would DIE!! They are FORCING people to go to file sharing sites to find music. I haven't yet, but I don't have many other ideas for buying songs. Getting tired of this crap!! They are TRYING to kill Karaoke!! If it's not available, just explain to your singers that the publishers have not made it available for the commercial Karaoke industry (don't try to elaborate because they neither understand the music publishing industry and/or could care less because they see it on the internet and think it's freeware or something of the like). That is what I do then direct them to the 20k other songs I have they can choose to sing. I will never compromise my business to to satisfy a singers request. My regulars know that I will do everything within my power and legally to fill their request. Oh and yes I still get the "can you just play it from you tube" and my response without further explanation is, "sorry but I can't" with a smile and then respond "check out my song list of other great current songs you might want to sing". I still have many happy singers that return to my shows every week! Happy New Year to you and Your Family!

Author:	Paradigm Karaoke [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:25 pm ]
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the only time i really get issues is when they are singing that song at other shows, but now it got pulled and that requires a bit of elaboration to get them to stop saying it is out because they sang it last night elsewhere. unfortunately, as Smooth has stated, it does cause more piracy. about half of the singers that want to sing a song that was pulled that they already sing elsewhere will offer to bring me a copy from their own collection.

Author:	Lonman [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:51 pm ]
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Smoothedge69 wrote: timberlea wrote: So if you don't steal from them how could they possibly sue you for stealing their products? Sometimes it is just that simple. I am not talking about the SC lawsuits. i am talking about the Sony lawsuits that are forcing everyone to stop selling songs. I have been watching songs disappear like crazy. I am not saying that I am going to start stealing, nor am I saying that it would be the right thing to do. What I AM saying that these Sony lawsuits are creating a shortage of music, which IS going to cause MORE Piracy. That is GOING to be the end result. Simple as that. That's almost the same as stealing, obviously the manus aren't paying the proper fees to begin with so they have to pull those songs that weren't allowed to be made without proper procedures. That isn't going to FORCE anyone into piracy, that will be their choice to steal. And besides if there is no more new music being made, what will be left to steal.

Author:	MtnKaraoke [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:55 pm ]
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Clearly, we will all be stuck with Taylor Swift for new music.

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Author:	max [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:05 pm ]
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MtnKaraoke wrote: True colors being displayed. No one is being "forced" to go to illegal file sharing. If you cannot obtain the song by legal means, then you simply cannot obtain the song. Unless of course, you "never pay for music" and believe that theft can be justified. Lonman makes a good point. If you want the track(s), you can get them on custom disc, just not download. That's the cost of doing business... if you're concerned with being legit. Statements like this drive me crazy...you can apply this way of thinking to pretty much eveything.. If you can not get from here to there without driving over the speed limit then just don't drive...UNREAL

Author:	timberlea [ Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:26 pm ]
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Exactly Lonman, if the producers aren't paying then they are also stealing. Once again either as a music buyer or karaoke producer, pay the required fees.

Author:	MtnKaraoke [ Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:37 am ]
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max wrote: Statements like this drive me crazy...you can apply this way of thinking to pretty much eveything.. If you can not get from here to there without driving over the speed limit then just don't drive...UNREAL People who compare speeding (and I don't --- cruise control) with illegal file sharing have no understanding of the specifics of what is being discussed. Now that you've shown your lack of comprehension... perhaps you'd like to contribute something to the conversation?

Author:	Smoothedge69 [ Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:17 am ]
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rumbolt wrote: Oh and yes I still get the "can you just play it from you tube" and my response without further explanation is, "sorry but I can't" with a smile and then respond "check out my song list of other great current songs you might want to sing". I still have many happy singers that return to my shows every week! Happy New Year to you and Your Family! I HAVE been explaining it to my customers. It just sucks that I have to do that, instead of providing the songs they want, like I have been doing since I started doing this. I just hope this crap stops soon.

Author:	Lonman [ Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:35 am ]
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Smoothedge69 wrote: rumbolt wrote: Oh and yes I still get the "can you just play it from you tube" and my response without further explanation is, "sorry but I can't" with a smile and then respond "check out my song list of other great current songs you might want to sing". I still have many happy singers that return to my shows every week! Happy New Year to you and Your Family! I HAVE been explaining it to my customers. It just sucks that I have to do that, instead of providing the songs they want, like I have been doing since I started doing this. I just hope this crap stops soon. Nah this has been a fact since the start of karaoke. Some songs are available, others aren't. Sucks yes, but part of the business. I have singer requests stemming back to 1998 (when I first started keeping track) of song requests that still aren't out to this day in any format - even basic instrumentals (yes I go through the list almost on a monthly basis through several sourced). That list is well over 2500 songs! If they are available I will find them either on OEM disc (even paying for 1 song because that is how much I value my customers), custom disc if that is all that is available, legal download or instrumental only where they will usually load up the lyrics on their phone (or bring in printed sheet) & sing it old school like we used to do when all there was were cassette & lyric sheets!

Author:	JoeChartreuse [ Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:39 am ]
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MtnKaraoke wrote: Clearly, we will all be stuck with Taylor Swift for new music. Not so far off, actually. Not just TS, but I can see direct publisher/owner production as a near future possibility - Sony Karaoke? Either that or an ex-karaoke producer acting as the source contractor for them. In this scenario we would get the highest quality tracks with ORIGINAL instrumentals, but will be paying a whole lot more. Btw- tracks that WERE out there still ARE - just not as downloads. If a disc was produced, it didn't just disappear. Again, a more expensive alternative than downloads, but the tracks are there.