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Allegedly Illegal!

Information from Ace Karaoke yesterday. SC had to pull Foundations and Bricks along with their website because there were too many non licensed songs on the discs. Harrington has avoided telling us this (by saying we sold out, I have to clear my throat -Hm Hm, BULL Sh*&) but the rumor that was posed in another topic and dismissed by Harrington turns out to be validated, "H" says, "we are rebuilding the website and discs just happen to sell out all of the sudden, , blah blah" BS, the leader in transparency! I mean BS.

OMG how screwed up is this? How many lies has Harrington been telling. SC screwed up, has been selling illegal Foundation sets and Bricks. Yes accusation! With evidence this time. I guess my suspicions have been right all along? SC has been selling illegal Foundations and Bricks and I would venture to speculate that the Gem have recently been altered of content as well!!!!!!! Immensely "Why you have to call to get info on it". Need a pdf of first Gem set, please submit if you have it for reference to new Gem set to be released soon. Call Ace to verify!

Tell us some more lies "H" (Journey / Who's Crying now SC8832) Everyone knows the BS card game,"I have 3 Aces" "BS" you liar.

Your lying is making me more skeptical of anything you even mention. Shame shame shame! Can we get a friggin' straight answer once in awhile? Answer-"NO" treat you like a mushroom, keep you in the dark and feed you a bunch of SH$&.

Harrington says that when we catch a pirate they delete content. When record companies catch SC stealing, SC deletes the site and reworks the Foundation and Brick sets. Who is screwing who here? Who is the big fish PIRATE for REAL?

Really? WTF SC get over yourself.

Blake Shelton saying "the singer sang the CRAP out of that song" is like saying Harrington told the CRAP out of that LIE! Good Job. Transparency x Credibility = Believability, 0x0=0

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Record companies should make every song in a karaoke version and kill the dispute!

Wait. They are illegal because......?

Who said they were? What credentials do they have? What proof do they have?

Do you believe it just because they said so? Where did they get their information?

I don't know who you are or what your deal is, but don't go spouting off about "proof" when all you actually have is hearsay. It may or may not be true that SC product was recalled, but don't go starting rumors without actually providing SOLID EVIDENCE. Which, by the way, is what YOU want from Sound Choice to prove otherwise.

Prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, or be called out for the charlatan you are making yourself out to be.

Furthermore...... If the AceKaraoke folks are claiming they are illegal, why in the world would they leave any mention of them on their site? Shouldn't they be doing whatever they can to remove any reference to an illegal product from their listings?

http://www.acekaraoke.com/cdgpack.html#.U2S-cCjaf-q

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-Chris

Easy, please cite your EVIDENCE. Please show the court order. Anything other than "I heard".

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There is no mention of the SC Foundations or Bricks on there website!

It all makes perfect sense now doesn't it?

Absence of Foundations and Bricks on eBay.com, Karaokewh.com, Acekaraoke.com soundchoicestore.com.

According to a reliable source at acekaraoke, the (Star, Power, Spotlight Series) stock they have is in store stock they have on hand. Not "drop ship" stock like karaokewh had.

This is like finding missing pieces to a puzzle, but the thing is they fit so very perfectly. Doubt? There may be some but it's more like a smoking gun when you piece it all together. If you don't accept it you're too hard headed. Period.

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The Truth often gets in the way of a good story.
Record companies should make every song in a karaoke version and kill the dispute!

Did you even click the link?

Try it. Scroll all the way to the bottom. Eat Crow.

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-Chris

OK, so there is mention. Thanks, now I can copy the list of songs to compare to the NEW set when they put it together. (Surely there will be many useless songs added to them that are free to license or very cheap, just guessing about that.) There's also the Fact that it's "Out Of Stock"! If you call them you cannot buy them, it's not on back order because they can't order it.

If you were to believe that SC stopped printing Foundation sets in 2009 and just ran out of stock, you would have to poses the lowest IQ of up right walking Neanderthal Man. This is a grown up conversation, simple math would dictate there is too much information to keep denying the inevitable truth.

How would you like your CROW?

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If you don't have anything nice to say, say it sarcastically!
The Truth often gets in the way of a good story.
Record companies should make every song in a karaoke version and kill the dispute!

It is hard to take serious a request for a "grown up conversation" from Beavis or Butthead.....

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feature ... rn-5178805

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-Chris

I could change it to Perry Mason if it would help you?

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If you don't have anything nice to say, say it sarcastically!
The Truth often gets in the way of a good story.
Record companies should make every song in a karaoke version and kill the dispute!

Interesting reading. While I would certainly require a bit more definitive evidence, I would also agree that SOMETHING gives the perception of smelling a bit fishy. More time, more information. It will all be clear and in the open eventually... Then we will know, without any speculation or debate required.

Of course, ambiguity could still rear it's ugly head. If, for instance, sets come back minus a whole lot of tracks, one could certainly speculate regarding licensing, which would spark more debate. On the other hand, if NO sets come back......

I do feel obligated to mention that I believe SC has been out of production long enough that I feel it's possible for some licensing to have expired normally.

Like I said, more time, more info. It'll come out.

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Yep it's there. But if you try to order them they are out of stock. So looks like maybe they got recalled?

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Beavis and Butthead were more appropriate and seemingly to your level. Since you have a bug up your patootey about lawyers, perry Mason just seems like a Beavis and Butthead selection.

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-Chris

I'm thinking that "Beavis & Butthead" references aren't much more personally complimentary then ickies from the adversarial side. Just thinking out loud....

Debate used to be an art form and a craft- even taught in schools. What the heck happened?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Like LW says "out of stock" on every link. I have tried other vendors as well and they are all out of stock. Any companies dream and nightmare at the same time. "Only if I'd made more (copies.....all licensed of course)"!

Karaoke mans are limited to the amount they can make, whether 10, 1,000, or 100,000, whatever that number may be in the licencing. They just can't keep rolling them out forever and a day. And with each new run requires new licencing. Up here one manu wanted to run another lot of discs and when they went to re-licence, the the Copyright holder more than doubled the price, so another run wasn't made.

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I would bet they didn't have a set number of copies to manu. It's a time to distribute thing I believe then re license.

Sc Foundations and Bricks have disappeared from everywhere. If they were running low they would've be making new product months ago. Don't be so gullible!!!! They have had to have been forced to do this. In all the years you've been running karaoke have you ever seen a lack of Foundations or Bricks available for sale?

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If you don't have anything nice to say, say it sarcastically!
The Truth often gets in the way of a good story.
Record companies should make every song in a karaoke version and kill the dispute!

They get a Lucerne to make xxx number of copies to sell. if it takes 50 years to sell., that doesn't matter. they can not make more than that bomber agreed to in their licence agreement, but it does not matter how long it takes to sell. if they were required to pull them it would only be because the songs did not have a license agreement in place at all. easy to fix...show the license agreement paperwork and problem solved. otherwise they may have just ran out of the mediplas versions printed as those were the last SC discs pressed.

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To the OP, your post means nothing to me.

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If I were Kurt Slep, I would have stopped producing Foundations and Bricks 3 years ago just after GEM production started.

Why? It is more lucrative to license GEM's then to sell Foundations and Bricks. It also seems to satisfy Kurt's desire to control his product more effectively. He knows exactly who owns a GEM. I seriously doubt he has any effective tracking on who has a Foundation (or a copy thereof).

I haven't poked around iRC in a while, but last time I did, the GEM was still nowhere to be found. It seems GEM owners are less likely to distribute the product than other forms of product, and for good reason.

So it is quite possible that Foundations/Bricks weren't pulled for the reasons that Big Easy is trumpeting and quite likely that GEM's are simply the preferred method of distribution. Any "recall" that may have taken place is possibly just a means of getting new old stock out of circulation leaving GEM's to be the sole product distributed by Sound Choice.

Still skeptical?

http://www.soundchoicestore.com/certified-hosts.html

281 GEM Licensees are listed.
$3000 is the Christmas special for the GEM
281 * $3000 = $843,000

The GEM actually lists for $5000, but I am sure people work out deals and take advantage of specials. So let's meet in the middle.

281 * $4000 = $1,124,000

(be sure to subtract production costs, salaries, operating costs......etc. This is NOT pure profit, but I imagine the margins are still comfortable this far into production)

.....And there may be a handful of people that are not on the list.

.....And Kurt knows EXACTLY who has those GEM's.

So why sell Foundations/Bricks any longer?

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-Chris

Chris: More than a few of those are defendants who settled at rates a lot higher than $5000, although the costs are higher because of investigations, court costs, and legal fees. You're on the right track.

I'll let Big Easy continue to twist a bit.

But I'll also point out that SC has been moving its focus away from the "distributor" model for a while--not entirely, of course, but you'll notice that the GEM series isn't distributed through retailers. There's more money to be made in direct sales as the industry shifts well away from retail.

I may be a bit confused here. Chris, I may have misinterpreted the terminology, but by "poked around iRC" do you mean pirate download sites? If so, then I would suggest that the only reason one wouldn't content noted as GEM there is because there is nothing in that series that hasn't already been pirated from the original discs and put out there. Nothing to do with owner likelihood for any other reason. There just isn't any purpose to doing it again.

PS: Chris, if I misunderstood the terminology, apologies in advance.

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