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Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Digitrax sues Universal.....the other topic |
All Documents are on RFCExpress here - http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copy ... l/summary/ The Main Complaint can be seen here - http://1drv.ms/1far7RA Summary - DigiTrax claims to have been in contact with Universal to negotiate a license to use material copyrighted to Universal for karaoke and related products.. Emails were exchanged between Digitrax and Universal. Allegedly, an agreement was reached via email, but without a "long form" license (I take this to mean that no actual license agreement was produced and signed) Allegedly, Universal grants preliminary use of Universal content pending the final long form license agreement. Allegedly, Digitrax pays Universal a fee for use of tracks based on email negotiations. Universal appears to change its mind and requests the music be taken down. Digitrax complies. Digitrax sues Universal for breach of license (though it appears it is an informal license negotiated only via email) ....and here we are. |
Author: | chrisavis [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:23 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
There is no doubt that this really sucks for the folks that subscribed to the Karaoke Cloud. For those that subscribed and also read these forums, the warnings were given many times over. I still believe that Cloud based services are the future of content delivery for karaoke. The model already works for the software, video, and music industries. The karaoke companies are just late to the game and have to get all the properly shaped pegs in the properly shaped holes. There will be those that look at this and will accuse Digitrax and willfully infringing on Universal's copyrights and/or trying to pull a fast one on the subscribers of the Karaoke Cloud. in fact, the only thing I can see they are guilty of is not getting everything in writing and signed by the right folks before putting things in play. They were too anxious to get things rolling before all the proper agreements were in place. But I do sympathize with Digitrax. If they do in fact have an email chain with someone at Universal saying it is okay, and in in fact Universal accepted the money, then there should be a good faith effort on both sides to wrap it all up ASAP. That is effectively an email handshake and should be honored in my opinion. But there is a lot of money at stake here and money changes everything.. |
Author: | BruceFan4Life [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
I read somewhere that it has a lot to do with tracks that were formerly owned by Chartbuster that Digitrax claims to be theirs now. The problem is that Chartbuster never had those songs licensed properly so they had no rights to transfer ownership of those tracks to anyone. Therein lies the rub. Seems like Chartbuster isn't much different than the people selling loaded hard drives on the internet. Sell whatever you can until you get caught. Then change the name of your company until you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar again. Rinse and repeat. |
Author: | rogerniner [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
Music publishers screw manus... manus screw KJs... KJs get screwed. |
Author: | rickgood [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
Does no one having a damn working phone at either place? |
Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
rickgood wrote: Does no one having a damn working phone at either place? Don't know about Universal, but lots of luck with DT |
Author: | kjmann [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
chrisavis wrote: There is no doubt that this really sucks for the folks that subscribed to the Karaoke Cloud. For those that subscribed and also read these forums, the warnings were given many times over. There will be those that look at this and will accuse Digitrax and willfully infringing on Universal's copyrights and/or trying to pull a fast one on the subscribers of the Karaoke Cloud. in fact, the only thing I can see they are guilty of is not getting everything in writing and signed by the right folks before putting things in play. They were too anxious to get things rolling before all the proper agreements were in place. But I do sympathize with Digitrax. If they do in fact have an email chain with someone at Universal saying it is okay, and in in fact Universal accepted the money, then there should be a good faith effort on both sides to wrap it all up ASAP. That is effectively an email handshake and should be honored in my opinion. But there is a lot of money at stake here and money changes everything.. This is So Typical of the music publishers. Publisher: Oh yeah we'd love to give you a license. send us 20 grand and we will let you start using our music now while we get your official paperwork in order. Karaoke Company: Thanks, that sounds great. here 20 thousand dollars. Publisher 1 year later (Different person): we never gave you permission to use our music, I don't care what your email or this person from our company said. we're going to sue you Using attorney Paul Stacy (Where have we heard this name before? Hint:EMI Vs. Slep-tone) if you don't stop using our music now. By the way, that 20 grand check we cashed is ours to keep because we think we deserve that. I hope they nail universals (@$%!) to the wall. |
Author: | BruceFan4Life [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
THE POM POM GIRLS ARE OUT IN FULL FORCE ON THIS ONE. AMAZING HOW MUCH KOOL AID SOME PEOPLE CAN DRINK. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
kjmann wrote: chrisavis wrote: There is no doubt that this really sucks for the folks that subscribed to the Karaoke Cloud. For those that subscribed and also read these forums, the warnings were given many times over. There will be those that look at this and will accuse Digitrax and willfully infringing on Universal's copyrights and/or trying to pull a fast one on the subscribers of the Karaoke Cloud. in fact, the only thing I can see they are guilty of is not getting everything in writing and signed by the right folks before putting things in play. They were too anxious to get things rolling before all the proper agreements were in place. But I do sympathize with Digitrax. If they do in fact have an email chain with someone at Universal saying it is okay, and in in fact Universal accepted the money, then there should be a good faith effort on both sides to wrap it all up ASAP. That is effectively an email handshake and should be honored in my opinion. But there is a lot of money at stake here and money changes everything.. This is So Typical of the music publishers. Publisher: Oh yeah we'd love to give you a license. send us 20 grand and we will let you start using our music now while we get your official paperwork in order. Karaoke Company: Thanks, that sounds great. here 20 thousand dollars. Publisher 1 year later (Different person): we never gave you permission to use our music, I don't care what your email or this person from our company said. we're going to sue you Using attorney Paul Stacy (Where have we heard this name before? Hint:EMI Vs. Slep-tone) if you don't stop using our music now. By the way, that 20 grand check we cashed is ours to keep because we think we deserve that. I hope they nail universals <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span> to the wall. ![]() |
Author: | timberlea [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
LR, exactly what rule(s) did the karaoke manufacturers change? |
Author: | rickgood [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:35 am ] |
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Who do you think has the better lawyers on retainer? Exactly. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:01 am ] |
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timberlea wrote: LR, exactly what rule(s) did the karaoke manufacturers change? ![]() |
Author: | DannyG2006 [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:31 am ] |
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The Lone Ranger wrote: timberlea wrote: LR, exactly what rule(s) did the karaoke manufacturers change? ![]() LR,, it comes with the changing of times and technology. Back then there wasn't computer karaoke that forced those manufacturers that really cared about their product to adopt new rules to address that change. |
Author: | timberlea [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:24 pm ] |
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LR are you purposely being dense? All over the discs and packaging, it said do not duplicate without permission. This all started when people wanted to duplicate their music onto hard drives. No one, except Rodney, which was dealt with, has been sued for using their discs in the intended way. |
Author: | kjmann [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:58 pm ] |
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timberlea wrote: LR are you purposely being dense? No. He's Just Naturally Dense. |
Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:08 pm ] |
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timberlea wrote: LR are you purposely being dense? All over the discs and packaging, it said do not duplicate without permission. This all started when people wanted to duplicate their music onto hard drives. No one, except Rodney, which was dealt with, has been sued for using their discs in the intended way. You may wish to re-read your discs, if made in the U.S. they don't say that at all. They say NO UNAUTHORIZED COPIES - yet no not specify what is or is not authorized. For instance, copies made for back up and single site use ARE AUTHORIZED whether the mfr. gives permission or not, while copies made for re-sale or multi-site use are not. Completely different from no copies allowed. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
timberlea wrote: LR are you purposely being dense? All over the discs and packaging, it said do not duplicate without permission. This all started when people wanted to duplicate their music onto hard drives. No one, except Rodney, which was dealt with, has been sued for using their discs in the intended way. ![]() |
Author: | DannyG2006 [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:02 pm ] |
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The authorization of copies is dependant on each manufacturer's policy. So far only two manufacturing companies have instuted audits as requirements of gaining permission. The others have decided to trust the user that they have the actual discs to back up what they have on hard drive. |
Author: | timberlea [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:18 pm ] |
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Joe, really? So if there is a sign somewhere that says "no unauthorized entry", that it only applies to me if someone in authority tells me? BTW the copying without authority is for personal use only, not commercial use. There are a limited number of exceptions but you can go to the obligatory Acts and read it for yourself. LR, again see what I wrote about copying. Better yet maybe you guys should read up on IP law or talk to a few IP attorneys. |
Author: | BruceFan4Life [ Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Digitrax sues Universal..... |
The only people who seem to care, even a little bit, about people copying their karaoke tracks to a hard drive are the Slep Brothers. NOBODY else does. The cheer leaders care but they have NO POWER to do anything about it except whine. No one is going to invest the time and money to track down an individual KJ because there is no real money there. Sound Choice is willing to settle for 5 grand every now and again. They have added less than a dozen people to their certified lists in the last year. What a money tree they have there! |
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