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Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:14 am ] |
Post subject: | The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
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Author: | doowhatchulike [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Two reasons come to mind that would cause a reversal of an agreed-upon position: 1) the end user violated the agreement; or 2) the company was found to have issued said permission in bad faith or without the authority to do so. If a company simply just decides to withdraw the agreement, at the very least it should cause severe damage to their reputation and credibility, since randomly making such a decision is not normal business practice. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
doowhatchulike wrote: Two reasons come to mind that would cause a reversal of an agreed-upon position: 1) the end user violated the agreement; or 2) the company was found to have issued said permission in bad faith or without the authority to do so. If a company simply just decides to withdraw the agreement, at the very least it should cause severe damage to their reputation and credibility, since randomly making such a decision is not normal business practice. ![]() |
Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Per Jim Harrington, sometimes companies produce and distribute without any documentation, depending on a verbal agreement that- for reasons unknown- does not reach reality. In that case, the producer simply jumped the gun- permision was not withdrawn because it wasn't given in writing in the first place. Again, this per Jim Harrington. |
Author: | JimHarrington [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
JoeChartreuse wrote: Per Jim Harrington, sometimes companies produce and distribute without any documentation, depending on a verbal agreement that- for reasons unknown- does not reach reality. In that case, the producer simply jumped the gun- permision was not withdrawn because it wasn't given in writing in the first place. Again, this per Jim Harrington. This is an extreme oversimplification of what I said. |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
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Author: | JimHarrington [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
The Lone Ranger wrote: 8) I'm glad that someone is trying to make things more simple. I know the more complicated they are the more you need lawyers. Would be nice if things could be worked out without them, but lawyers have to eat also. The problem is that in the process of oversimplification, you lose fine detail that makes a difference in the way things are perceived to be. Ironically, one of the reasons Joe is disc-based is because he thinks original discs produce sound of higher fidelity and richness than do MP3+G tracks. He's right about that. When you dump 70% of the data in moving from CD Audio to MP3 at the maximum bitrate, the result may be acceptable, but a good ear can tell the difference. Joe's statement, on the other hand, is akin to an MP3 encoded at 24 kbps. You can vaguely identify it as music, but good luck figuring out which song is playing. |
Author: | Lonman [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: He's right about that. When you dump 70% of the data in moving from CD Audio to MP3 at the maximum bitrate, the result may be acceptable, but a good ear can tell the difference. I'd beg to differ on that one! Going through a headphone jack of the computer and a crap sound system, yes one would be able to tell a difference. However going through a professional quality audio card and a nice sound system, I would beg any audio purist to be able to tell the difference between a 320 mp3 vs disc! but that is a different rant......back to your regular same ole same ole |
Author: | JimHarrington [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Lonman wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: He's right about that. When you dump 70% of the data in moving from CD Audio to MP3 at the maximum bitrate, the result may be acceptable, but a good ear can tell the difference. I'd beg to differ on that one! Going through a headphone jack of the computer and a crap sound system, yes one would be able to tell a difference. However going through a professional quality audio card and a nice sound system, I would beg any audio purist to be able to tell the difference between a 320 mp3 vs disc! but that is a different rant......back to your regular same ole same ole Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available. |
Author: | Rikki Tikki Karaoke [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Mr. Harrington, This sounds like a court argument for controlling quality control of intellectual property rights against those that wish to media shift... legal yes, practical no... imho |
Author: | doowhatchulike [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Rikki Tikki Karaoke wrote: Mr. Harrington, This sounds like a court argument for controlling quality control of intellectual property rights against those that wish to media shift... legal yes, practical no... imho Especially given the fact that in today's market the vast amount of music is distributed in mp3/mp4 format... |
Author: | Lonman [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available. Agree! Audibly noticeable ![]() |
Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available. That's crap and you know it. In a noisy bar NOBODY is going to notice the difference unless they are wearing noise cancelling headphones. The only parts of the sound that are removed are those that are beyond our hearing range, in a high bit rate rip. Now if you were to rip are 96kb/s it would sound like garbage. 128kb/s is the same as an ADD CD. 192 kb/s and up sound no different than a DDD cd. |
Author: | JimHarrington [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Smoothedge69 wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available. That's crap and you know it. In a noisy bar NOBODY is going to notice the difference unless they are wearing noise cancelling headphones. The only parts of the sound that are removed are those that are beyond our hearing range, in a high bit rate rip. Now if you were to rip are 96kb/s it would sound like garbage. 128kb/s is the same as an ADD CD. 192 kb/s and up sound no different than a DDD cd. People might not be able to hear the difference in that situation...but they can certainly hear the sound of the point whooshing over your head. |
Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: People might not be able to hear the difference in that situation...but they can certainly hear the sound of the point whooshing over your head. What's sad is that YOUR BOSS wants to control everything Karaoke. He wants people to just buy HIS product, even if he has to force them to, he wants the producers to go after everyone who has media shifted their discs, (since he can't legally do that. But I bet he would if he could). He's like a little Karaoke dictator. Personally, I think he needs to be stopped before he gets everyone in trouble for nothing. |
Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Smoothedge69 wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: People might not be able to hear the difference in that situation...but they can certainly hear the sound of the point whooshing over your head. What's sad is that YOUR BOSS wants to control everything Karaoke. He wants people to just buy HIS product, even if he has to force them to, he wants the producers to go after everyone who has media shifted their discs, (since he can't legally do that. But I bet he would if he could). He's like a little Karaoke dictator. Personally, I think he needs to be stopped before he gets everyone in trouble for nothing. ???????? where did you go? ![]() |
Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
Paradigm Karaoke wrote: where did you go? ![]() ![]() |
Author: | The Lone Ranger [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: Lonman wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: He's right about that. When you dump 70% of the data in moving from CD Audio to MP3 at the maximum bitrate, the result may be acceptable, but a good ear can tell the difference. I'd beg to differ on that one! Going through a headphone jack of the computer and a crap sound system, yes one would be able to tell a difference. However going through a professional quality audio card and a nice sound system, I would beg any audio purist to be able to tell the difference between a 320 mp3 vs disc! but that is a different rant......back to your regular same ole same ole Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available. ![]() |
Author: | Bazza [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: Believe me, I did not intend to start up THAT argument again. It is incontrovertible, however, that downsampling CD Audio to MP3 levels, even at the maximum bitrate under the MP3 standard, does result in the loss of information that would otherwise be available. If you start talking about Oscilloscopes I'm taking you off the Christmas card list. ![]() (Conspiracy theorists...its a joke. I don't send out Christmas cards.) |
Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Withdrawl Of Permission Or The Demise Of A Manu? |
you know Bazza, you should give someone an open invitation to go to their show for a comparison test ![]() |
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