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Author:  dave [ Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:35 pm ]
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My wifes birthday is in March and we are going to Vegas.Are we going to see a sea of stolen music hardrives as usual or have you made a dent there?
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:11 am ]
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dave wrote:
My wifes birthday is in March and we are going to Vegas.Are we going to see a sea of stolen music hardrives as usual or have you made a dent there?


That's rich, 26 cases were dismissed because SC's lawyer's on the scene Donna Boris/James Harrington taking over from the former, dropped the ball on filings. I would imagine there were also some problems with the discovery part of the suits, because some of the investigations were flawed. I don't see how a dent can be made in anything, if proper investigations are muffed. James has admitted some cases brought by SC have been dismissed because the could not serve the summons to the suspect. They started a suit without properly identifying the person they suspect, or even knowing where they live. This gives the impression that the suits are shotgun in nature and are nuisance in practice, with the aim of trying to leverage settlements rather than really go to trial. Have a nice day.
Author:  Second City Song [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:13 am ]
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The Lone Ranger wrote:
They started a suit without properly identifying the person they suspect, or even knowing where they live.


With all due respect, your comment appears libelous.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:43 am ]
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Second City Song wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
They started a suit without properly identifying the person they suspect, or even knowing where they live.


With all due respect, your comment appears libelous.


How is it libelous, when their own attorney James admits it is more complex to identify and locate a suspect, than it is to determine that they are working legally or illegally? Have a nice day.
Author:  Paradigm Karaoke [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:45 pm ]
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Second City Song wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
They started a suit without properly identifying the person they suspect, or even knowing where they live.


With all due respect, your comment appears libelous.


libelous would mean it was untrue, it is what happened. most suits have "John Doe 1, 2, etc." because they have not identified the person.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:11 pm ]
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8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales. There is little incentive to bring any of these so called suits to trial. Every time one has gone to trial some how SC manages to blow it. What they are hoping for is more sales and out of court settlements, the rest is just for show. To make hosts believe they are finally going to take a bite of crime. Please!!!!!!!!
Author:  jdmeister [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:35 pm ]
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dave wrote:
My wifes birthday is in March and we are going to Vegas.Are we going to see a sea of stolen music hardrives as usual or have you made a dent there?


So how is BOS?
Author:  JoeChartreuse [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:56 am ]
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jdmeister wrote:
dave wrote:
My wifes birthday is in March and we are going to Vegas.Are we going to see a sea of stolen music hardrives as usual or have you made a dent there?


So how is BOS?



I don't mind admitting ignorance- What's BOS?
Author:  Paradigm Karaoke [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:39 am ]
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thank you for not leaving me here alone Joe :lol:
who is BOS?
Author:  Paradigm Karaoke [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:40 am ]
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The Lone Ranger wrote:
8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales.

Kurt stated this at the last summit.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:33 am ]
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales.

Kurt stated this at the last summit.


Kurt should know best what the goals of his company are. What he will succeed in doing is have the majority of hosts and the venues they work for dropping the SC label all together. If DT/PR go down the same road as James has indicated they plan to do next year. They run the risk of their label being banned by the venues, and boycotted by the non-certified hosts. I don't think they are really quite that crazy, they seem to be leaning more towards the future, than trying to fight a losing battle of the past. Have a nice day.
Author:  MrBoo [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:06 am ]
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The Lone Ranger wrote:
Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales.

Kurt stated this at the last summit.


Kurt should know best what the goals of his company are. What he will succeed in doing is have the majority of hosts and the venues they work for dropping the SC label all together. If DT/PR go down the same road as James has indicated they plan to do next year. They run the risk of their label being banned by the venues, and boycotted by the non-certified hosts. I don't think they are really quite that crazy, they seem to be leaning more towards the future, than trying to fight a losing battle of the past. Have a nice day.


I'll not buy anything from DT due to the hinting of this sort of stance.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:19 am ]
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MrBoo wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales.

Kurt stated this at the last summit.


Kurt should know best what the goals of his company are. What he will succeed in doing is have the majority of hosts and the venues they work for dropping the SC label all together. If DT/PR go down the same road as James has indicated they plan to do next year. They run the risk of their label being banned by the venues, and boycotted by the non-certified hosts. I don't think they are really quite that crazy, they seem to be leaning more towards the future, than trying to fight a losing battle of the past. Have a nice day.


I'll not buy anything from DT due to the hinting of this sort of stance.


If any thing Mr.Boo they will file just enough suits for the shock effect, and then try and use scare tactics to try and sign up subscriber's on Cloud, and to sell whatever other trinkets they are trying to peddle. It is what they call in marketing, creating the idea, of a need for their product. The old Harold Hill approach, "We got trouble, big trouble in River City", what you need is a boys band, I just so happen to sell instruments, music, uniforms, etc.etc.etc.
Author:  JimHarrington [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:13 pm ]
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales.

Kurt stated this at the last summit.


That is not what he said.

What he said was that lawsuits are a good tool for driving sales. As an enforcement tool, lawsuits drive sales by encouraging pirate operators to buy their music to get legal. I don't see anything untoward about that, especially because nobody who has already bought their music has to buy more music to avoid a lawsuit. Fear of lawsuits drives a lot of good behaviors, like making products safer, being more careful in dealing with people and property, and avoiding piracy.
Author:  Smoothedge69 [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:18 pm ]
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HarringtonLaw wrote:
Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales.

Kurt stated this at the last summit.


That is not what he said.

What he said was that lawsuits are a good tool for driving sales. As an enforcement tool, lawsuits drive sales by encouraging pirate operators to buy their music to get legal. I don't see anything untoward about that, especially because nobody who has already bought their music has to buy more music to avoid a lawsuit. Fear of lawsuits drives a lot of good behaviors, like making products safer, being more careful in dealing with people and property, and avoiding piracy.

Your opinion means nothing because it is biased towards your client. You are obligated to agree with everything he says, or you will have to find another cash cow.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:28 pm ]
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HarringtonLaw wrote:
Paradigm Karaoke wrote:
The Lone Ranger wrote:
8) What seems true at least to me, these suits are filed for the shock factor, and to promote sales.

Kurt stated this at the last summit.


That is not what he said.

What he said was that lawsuits are a good tool for driving sales. As an enforcement tool, lawsuits drive sales by encouraging pirate operators to buy their music to get legal. I don't see anything untoward about that, especially because nobody who has already bought their music has to buy more music to avoid a lawsuit. Fear of lawsuits drives a lot of good behaviors, like making products safer, being more careful in dealing with people and property, and avoiding piracy.


There is an old Gospel song that says "Don't run from the devil make the devil run from you". Also the lawsuits drives hosts and venues into telling you to take your product and pleasure yourself with it. If you know what I mean. Any way you spin it James it boils down to using the suits for their shock effect, creating a problem, that you have the product to solve your created emergency. Think about it.
Author:  JimHarrington [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:27 pm ]
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Smoothedge69 wrote:
Your opinion means nothing because it is biased towards your client. You are obligated to agree with everything he says, or you will have to find another cash cow.


You obviously have no understanding of what the lawyer-client relationship is like.
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:01 pm ]
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HarringtonLaw wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
Your opinion means nothing because it is biased towards your client. You are obligated to agree with everything he says, or you will have to find another cash cow.


You obviously have no understanding of what the lawyer-client relationship is like.


What's to understand you are paid a fee, retainer, etc. etc., and you are obligated to defend your client's interests to the best of your ability. Much like the knight who is the queen's champion, whether the cause is right or wrong, you are bound to defend the person you have given your oath to. That is why they say "When you take the King's coin you have to do his bidding". Have a nice day.
Author:  JoeChartreuse [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:26 am ]
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HarringtonLaw wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
Your opinion means nothing because it is biased towards your client. You are obligated to agree with everything he says, or you will have to find another cash cow.


You obviously have no understanding of what the lawyer-client relationship is like.



Well, this is a special case. With all due respect, Jim, you have stated that you spend 80 hours a week on SC. This means that a single client would seem to be the major source of your income, so being careful and yes, biased, would certainly be in your best interest.

Now, is anyone going to explain what BOS is?
Author:  The Lone Ranger [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:52 am ]
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JoeChartreuse wrote:
HarringtonLaw wrote:
Smoothedge69 wrote:
Your opinion means nothing because it is biased towards your client. You are obligated to agree with everything he says, or you will have to find another cash cow.


You obviously have no understanding of what the lawyer-client relationship is like.



Well, this is a special case. With all due respect, Jim, you have stated that you spend 80 hours a week on SC. This means that a single client would seem to be the major source of your income, so being careful and yes, biased, would certainly be in your best interest.

Now, is anyone going to explain what BOS is?


8) One question Jim if you are spending 80 hours a week on SC how do you find time to attend karaoke shows? Also why are so many of SC's suits dismissed do to failure to meet filing deadlines, and other botched elements in the cases? Have a nice day.
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