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| Author: | kjathena [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Domestic download licencing ???? |
Latshaw Systems posted the following on the FB page. Lets see what SC/Digitrax ect have to post about this. An update to the previous post. I just got off a 3 way phone call with representatives of karaoke.com (also here in Baltimore) and Digitrax (karaoke cloud). I don't know if it's timing or pure coincidence, but the evidently the American publishers have finally caved on their downloading rules. I was called to be informed that Digitrax will be offering MP3+G downloads (not rentals) and now has the legal authority to do so, and they will be carrying content from Amercian karaoke producers as early as next month when their site goes live. However, because of the fact that the music publishers have different contracts in each country, the concept of iCroons and a single one stop portal to connect you to all the different sites around the world would still be a legal liability for us, so instead of integrating just an American site's catalog into Karma, we will stick with our current model of having web links to all of them so users can "shop" different sites and decide for themselves. I can't emphasize enough that this is good news, and that my point about a little rebellion being a good thing still holds true. The pirates, combined with other countries leading the way have forced the American publishers hand and this is a good thing. I've already been invited to speak again at the next karaoke summit in Las Vegas and I will still push for making the KJs job easier and still push for the legal right to offer something like iCroons that can combine different countries offerings. We are making progress, and the future of karaoke is bright. Stay tuned, and we'll keep you posted. |
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| Author: | kjathena [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
Per digitrax, Latshaw has misunderstood something and domestic download licencing is NOT being allowed by US publishers |
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| Author: | rickgood [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
So you know something more than the first-hand conversation he just reported? How's that? |
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| Author: | kjathena [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
I always verify second hand information. I just sent some emails personally and received the info directly. Email addresses for Digitrax are available online for anyone wishing to contact them. Athena |
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| Author: | MadMusicOne [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
...Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down....I'm just so confused??? Oh well, nothing new in this business! |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
MadMusicOne wrote: ...Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down....I'm just so confused??? Oh well, nothing new in this business! You forgot kneel and genuflect. |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
kjathena wrote: Per digitrax, Latshaw has misunderstood something and domestic download licencing is NOT being allowed by US publishers This does not mean that Latshaw has actually misunderstood anything, only that Digitrax doesn't agree with Digitrax point of view ( which, of course, is the point of view from which they hope to derive an income). However, Athena is correct in regard to the lack of download licensing availability. |
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
on another thread Harrington said it IS available. Harrington says yes, Digitrax recanted and said yes, Latshaw says yes, All Star says yes, Kurt says no...... |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
Paradigm Karaoke wrote: on another thread Harrington said it IS available. Harrington says yes, Digitrax recanted and said yes, Latshaw says yes, All Star says yes, Kurt says no...... If downloading becomes "legal" and highly available, no one will need SC and they will go the way of the Dinosaur. Kurt is losing his grip on the Karaoke Kingdom and he doesn't like it. Maybe he should have kept making music like others did, instead of just suing people. |
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| Author: | Lone Wolf [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
It's really beginning to sound like no one knows the rules. Which is why we have so much stuff going on with ripping, is it legal or not. |
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| Author: | doowhatchulike [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
And it will take someone standing up all the way to a conclusion for you guys to find out if it is "legal", "illegal", or, for lack of a better term, "non-legal"--the grey area has been eluded to on this forum many times in the past...so many companies reside and do much of their revenue-generating work in this grey area..... |
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| Author: | JimHarrington [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
There is nothing inherently illegal about a license given for downloading content, as long as the publishers agree. To my knowledge, they have never been willing to agree to it at an economically reasonable price, and they have rarely been willing to discuss it. |
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
*blinker* aren't all the SC tracks now licensed by MCPS? the U.K. has download licensing, why not use that for the tracks already made like on the GEM? just crossed my mind, and it's not like anyone goes without getting paid. sorry bout the detour everyone |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
Paradigm Karaoke wrote: *blinker* aren't all the SC tracks now licensed by MCPS? the U.K. has download licensing, why not use that for the tracks already made like on the GEM? just crossed my mind, and it's not like anyone goes without getting paid. sorry bout the detour everyone MCPS has licensing jurisdiction in the UK, where downloading is acceptable, but not in the U.S., where a blanket downloading permission has yet to be introduced.. |
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
but purchasing a product direct form the manu (such as sunfly or zoom) is legal even in the states, only the delivery method changes. like purchasing a disc where the fees to make a disc are paid following MCPS / PRS rules is legal to purchase and use but not resell, purchasing a download where the fees to make a download are paid following MCPS / PRS rules is legal to purchase and use but not resell. the American producers and rights holders are paid through MCPS / PRS, enough to not make a stink about it happening in the U.K. (example, my Sunfly Eagles disc of banned in the U.S.A. songs) is fine for me to use, if this was a problem to the Producers, would it have not been banned like they did with import for resale? that stunt only proves that the only reason they do not like it is that they can screw Americans out of more money. it's not legal in the U.S. to put out Garth Brooks songs anymore, but in the U.K. where the GEM is licensed it is totally legal, so why not just follow to the next logical step and get the U.K. download licensing and sell direct to consumers from Mediaplas, or wherever in the U.K. |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
I will continue to download from U.K. sites. I like the quality, and the prices are reasonable. Plus, it's convenient. |
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| Author: | JimHarrington [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
The MCPS "PRS for Music" license no longer covers the U.S. Material that was produced and first sold before that changed is still covered. |
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| Author: | doowhatchulike [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
How convenient...
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| Author: | Paradigm Karaoke [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
HarringtonLaw wrote: The MCPS "PRS for Music" license no longer covers the U.S. Material that was produced and first sold before that changed is still covered. so all the U.K. companmies that are selling discs to the U.S. KJ's are breaking the law? |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Domestic download licencing ???? |
Paradigm Karaoke wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: The MCPS "PRS for Music" license no longer covers the U.S. Material that was produced and first sold before that changed is still covered. so all the U.K. companmies that are selling discs to the U.S. KJ's are breaking the law? As are those buying them??? The whole thing is retarded. Buy what you like. I give ALL of you my permission to buy what you like!! And that's the bottom line, cause Smoothedge said so!! |
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