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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | SC and the UK brands.................. |
It was stated on this site, earlier that SC was in negotiations with Sunfly and the other UK brands to do investigations on their behalf, here in the states. I was wondering if anyone had any information about this. I have been looking online and have found nothing. |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
Smoothedge69 wrote: It was stated on this site, earlier that SC was in negotiations with Sunfly and the other UK brands to do investigations on their behalf, here in the states. I was wondering if anyone had any information about this. I have been looking online and have found nothing. Well, I inquired about this myself.... (I love this whole email thing.... it's amazing what you can learn) So sent a few emails out and got this statement back from a manufacturer that resides "offshore." Quote: It would be difficult for Sound Choice to sue on our behalf without first contacting us on a case-by-case basis because unlike SC, we have (and still do) offer our tracks for sale in mp3+g download format, so in order to check the legality of every ***[edited]****** track, they'd need our co-operation. Let the guessing games begin.... |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
And the man with the answers, does he want to chime in, here?? Oh Mr. Harrington?? |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
Smoothedge69 wrote: And the man with the answers, does he want to chime in, here?? Oh Mr. Harrington?? Why would he have answers from another company? I think it would be better to hear it from them! |
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| Author: | chrisavis [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
The operative word here is "negotiations". Until that is finalized, it seems silly to speculate on how it would be handled. The specualtion does nothing but polarize people with a bunch of unknown factors. The negotiations may fall though completely or they may work out something viable. We will just have to wait and see. -Chris |
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| Author: | JimHarrington [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
Smoothedge69 wrote: And the man with the answers, does he want to chime in, here?? Oh Mr. Harrington?? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. |
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| Author: | earthling12357 [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: And the man with the answers, does he want to chime in, here?? Oh Mr. Harrington?? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. He may be referring to this: HarringtonLaw wrote: JoeChartreuse wrote: This layman is still a bit confused. If SC's hook is "Trademark Infringement", then why even bring up the piracy of other brands? They aren't (can't) even suing for piracy of their OWN brand. When you say "piracy," what are you referring to specifically? Most people using that term would include in it the creation of counterfeit materials, which is certainly something that we are suing over. JoeChartreuse wrote: Sorry, but if deletions are a part of the deal, they can only control their own products- unless of course a KJ is actually uneducated enough to have signed away his soul voluntarily.... Unfortunately, it has happened, silly as it sounds. Go figure.. SC may not do much against piracy, but they seem to be doing ok in strengthening the KJ gene pool... What makes you think that we can "only control our own products"? The most recent suit we filed included claims under ยง 43(a) of the Lanham Act for false designation of origin based upon the use of pirated copies of tracks belonging to other manufacturers, on the theory that the use of those pirated tracks damages SC by allowing pirate KJs to compete unfairly with SC's legitimate customers, which ultimately costs SC sales. |
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| Author: | Second City Song [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: And the man with the answers, does he want to chime in, here?? Oh Mr. Harrington?? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. He's talking about this statement that was made in a karaoke publication that I posted in another thread. "Since investigators for Sound Choice discovered a growing level of Sunfly Karaoke, Zoom Entertainment and Mr. Entertainer songs being played, they are in discussions with these UK companies to represent their Intellectual Property interests in the U.S., with possible lawsuits for these brands in the future." Here is the link I found this on. http://www.nwkaraokeguide.net/washingto ... -northwest I don't know if the statement "to represent their Intellectual Property interests in the U.S." means just to do investigations or to do any legal filings as well. |
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| Author: | karaokegod73 [ Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
Maybe there's a growing number of those tracks being played because those brands (unlike SC) are actually making NEW music that people want to sing? Sorry, you can't blame everything on piracy or people trying to do something illegal at "your expense". |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
karaokegod73 wrote: Maybe there's a growing number of those tracks being played because those brands (unlike SC) are actually making NEW music that people want to sing? Sorry, you can't blame everything on piracy or people trying to do something illegal at "your expense". That has always been a goal of ANY good kj to get what the singer wants. |
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| Author: | karaokegod73 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
I just don't like the twist being put on it to justify some need of more lawsuits on "behalf" of others. No thanks! |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:03 am ] |
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karaokegod73 wrote: I just don't like the twist being put on it to justify some need of more lawsuits on "behalf" of others. No thanks! That is what happens when greed and power take over. Sound Choice seems to think that they are STILL the top of the Karaoke food chain. Sorry, but when you haven't mde any new product since 2007 or whatever, you lose the top spot. |
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| Author: | karaokegod73 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
Now they can't find enough instances of use of their product to sue over so they want to also investigate the use of ANY karaoke track. |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
karaokegod73 wrote: Now they can't find enough instances of use of their product to sue over so they want to also investigate the use of ANY karaoke track. For a commission.... |
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| Author: | Smoothedge69 [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: And the man with the answers, does he want to chime in, here?? Oh Mr. Harrington?? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Whatever you say. I would just like to know how you expect to police something that is sold through a download to begin with. There is NO hard copy to audit. |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
karaokegod73 wrote: Maybe there's a growing number of those tracks being played because those brands (unlike SC) are actually making NEW music that people want to sing? Sorry, you can't blame everything on piracy or people trying to do something illegal at "your expense". Heck, it's not even "illegal", just non-compliant to SC's wishes. All cases are civil, NOT criminal. They just like to toss around words like "legal" and "pirate" (who is someone who steals, not a media-shifter), and "counterfeit" (an imitation made to defraud for profit, not a media shifted copy of an original from which no profit is gained/ no monies lost by the display of said logo). I guess they like "inflammatory-speak". |
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| Author: | JimHarrington [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
Smoothedge69 wrote: HarringtonLaw wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: And the man with the answers, does he want to chime in, here?? Oh Mr. Harrington?? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Whatever you say. I would just like to know how you expect to police something that is sold through a download to begin with. There is NO hard copy to audit. I don't expect to, because I don't represent those companies. Besides, one company can't "represent" another as a plaintiff in a court proceeding. |
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| Author: | karaokegod73 [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
c. staley wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: It was stated on this site, earlier that SC was in negotiations with Sunfly and the other UK brands to do investigations on their behalf, here in the states. I was wondering if anyone had any information about this. I have been looking online and have found nothing. Well, I inquired about this myself.... (I love this whole email thing.... it's amazing what you can learn) So sent a few emails out and got this statement back from a manufacturer that resides "offshore." Quote: It would be difficult for Sound Choice to sue on our behalf without first contacting us on a case-by-case basis because unlike SC, we have (and still do) offer our tracks for sale in mp3+g download format, so in order to check the legality of every ***[edited]****** track, they'd need our co-operation. Let the guessing games begin.... That was probably the Zoom guy! |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
karaokegod73 wrote: c. staley wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: It was stated on this site, earlier that SC was in negotiations with Sunfly and the other UK brands to do investigations on their behalf, here in the states. I was wondering if anyone had any information about this. I have been looking online and have found nothing. Well, I inquired about this myself.... (I love this whole email thing.... it's amazing what you can learn) So sent a few emails out and got this statement back from a manufacturer that resides "offshore." Quote: It would be difficult for Sound Choice to sue on our behalf without first contacting us on a case-by-case basis because unlike SC, we have (and still do) offer our tracks for sale in mp3+g download format, so in order to check the legality of every ***[edited]****** track, they'd need our co-operation. Let the guessing games begin.... That was probably the Zoom guy! The guessing games are whether or not you think SC will sue on behalf of others.... not who wrote the email. Put yourself in the situation: Would you trust a competitor (even a former competitor) to sue "for you" in a foreign country? If SC were to sue and fail, the judgment would go against you -- not them. Would you want to be that disconnected from your own lawsuit? |
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| Author: | jclaydon [ Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SC and the UK brands.................. |
To the best of my knowledge, Nothing was ever said about suing on behalf of another company, I think the original idea was an agreement to be reached that would give Soundchoice permission to audit their tracks on their behalf and submit the results of that audit to the companies in question. What the specific companies choose to do if someone 'fails' an audit would have to be completely up to them. Of course now people will just say that soundchoice would use this as an excuse to find more people to sue in the UK so l think I will go put my earplugs in. -James |
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