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I have a new bar owner in my town running karaoke every Fri. night with an in house system that he bounces between 2 bars. He laughs at my measley amount of songs. I've been in the business for 15 years and have a very nice selection of music and try to keep current. I would venture to say that his system is pirated, but how do I prove it, and if he won't show me the discs to back up his computer, what do I do to turn him in? Thanks

you can report him on the KIAA site at , Soundchoice.com and at Chartbuster.com. I would recommend all three.

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What exactly would you be reporting and on what evidence? He doesn't have to show a competitor anything. Isn't this still America? Wow.

we can all agree that as an industry we cannot allow piracy to go unchecked, and if allowed to do so, it will certainly spell the demise of our industry.


Quote from the KIAA website. Do you agree with them? Or should I look the other way and let the Pirate run karaoke (MY business) in the ground?

Somebody needs to check Maryoke56's IP address, I suspect she (he) has posted many things on this forum under other IDs.... but I might be wrong

I am wrong.

She would be reporting that a new bar owner has an in-house karaoke system with a very large number of songs, something that merits investigation.

Well there are rich people in this town that have money and there are very poor people that do not. I think that merits investigation. A very strong possibility that based on the number of dollars the rich people have, they probably stole them from the poor people.

once again, it's a case of believing that simply because someone has a larger library, that they will somehow put you out of business.

If this Maryoke person is as good as she claims she is, then the number of songs should not matter.

The brands of songs should not matter either.

The location of the venue should not matter.

This is doing nothing more than perpetuating the myth that your business is dependent upon the number of songs that you have/or the brands that you use and not your own entertainment value or what you can bring to a venue.

Perhaps you should investigate the bar and make sure that the alcohol they sell was not stolen either. Also check the origin of all of the glasses and dishes and napkins and chairs and tables.

This is the stupidest witch-hunt I've ever seen.

From my perspective, it's a case of believing, because someone appeared on the scene with a library that would cost perhaps a hundred thousand dollars or more to acquire legally, if it could even be done, that it would be reasonable to suspect that the library is stolen and to commence an investigation.

You like to say that the library doesn't matter. Why would someone make, over the short term, such a ludicrously large investment in a product that doesn't matter to the entertainment value offered? Particularly where you could invest $350 to acquire the same thing as long as you were willing to ignore those pesky intellectual property laws?

Those circumstances beget suspicion, which warrants investigation, which may warrant action. I hope Maryoke will contact me to make a report so we could set that in motion.

I suppose if one of your neighbors suddenly drove home in a Lamborghini you'd have him investigated too?

And you are correct: the SIZE of the library doesn't matter. The content of the library does - as you need to have the songs that singers want to sing - the brand doesn't matter.

SC no longer produces music... they're quickly becoming "oldies" and losing their appeal and being replaced by SBI, Karaoke Version, Zoom and others that have moved in to fill in what SC is no longer producing.

Many clubs are banning SC (and others) because of the legal trouble being stirred up so it's final exit is being hastened. For some reason, you must think that if there are 10 KJ's in a town and only 2 of them have SC - that somehow they will be in more demand. It isn't happening - ask KJAthena if she is still (after 2 years) still having "pirate trouble." And the recent "fire sales" now on by other manufacturers are proof of the poison in the well.

Good Job.

If I knew my neighbor didn't have much money and had never owned a car before, and I owned a Lamborghini dealership that had recently had an Aventador stolen from the showroom, yeah, I'd probably ask the police to investigate.



So why would the bar owner drop a hundred grand on music that he could get for a lot less money? Most of the bar owners I know aren't exactly gold-plating their establishments these days.

Maybe he buys storage unit contents at auctions.....

"IF".... means nothing

Doesn't matter if you owned the dealership - I never stated it was new or used - he could have bought it off Ebay... (sounds like sour grapes your dealership didn't get a sale)

Had one stolen? Gee, what leads you to believe that this is the one?... I have a Chrysler minivan.... do you think automatically that it could be the one stolen off your lot?

You'd "probably" ask? And they could do that "investigation" by running the plates right?... They don't need to drag him into court and sue him to find out... they don't need to drag him downtown with a rubber hose and a swinging light do they?... apparently without any evidence of wrongdoing - you do.



Why do millionaires leave their fortunes to their pet cat?

Besides, it isn't a "hundred grand" anymore is it?... That's simply an inflated value to make it seem more valuable than it really is.

Nice try though.

My dad is fond of saying of someone who argues for the sake of argument, as you are above, "He'd complain about being hanged with a new rope." Shifting rationales, inconsistent arguments...you certainly appear to harbor a lot of anger and hostility toward my client. I mean, it's even to the point where you don't even want us to perform an investigation when a new karaoke provider arrives on the scene, in an industry dominated by piracy, with a huge collection of tracks that few people would have the means to acquire legally even if they wanted to.

Early on in my participation in this discussion, I made a reference to people who are "pro-pirate," and I was criticized for it. I was told that no one who regularly participates here was "pro-pirate." Maybe you're not "pro-pirate," but you certainly don't hesitate to oppose any effort to fight piracy--as long as it's something SC is doing, of course.

That doesn't seem to be the case in my area.

I'm not sure who's a pirate or not but the karaoke hot spots in this city still use Sound Choice tracks.

Some of the clubs (i'm told from singers) are dropping SC tracks around here, so those singers that prefer to use those tracks are looking at other shows that do have the tracks the singers want. I know i've acquired some new singers because of it.

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Typical. When you run out of valid points, you start with the personal stuff and go after your opponent. Suffice it to say that there is no probable cause to investigate other than curiosity.

My point exactly. It's about the songs not the brand.

ohhhh touche!

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Huh? Where do you come up with this stuff Chip? The point IS valid. It's common sense! The probable cause is very simple and clear to understand. I'd be willing to bet you here and now the guy IS a pirate!!!!!

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