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I took a trip over to the old KJ Talk forum (now part of "General Forums") to see if there was any activity.

For background, KJ Talk was originally a part of DJ Talk, but was privatized when the fighting got bad between the SC supporters and those against SC's methodology. Then, later, the forum was basically dropped as a supported forum on its own because of all the pirate accusations and in-fighting. The forum moderaters over there decided that it was just not worth the time and headache that went into playing kindergarten teacher, thus, the forum was dropped as an entity of its own.

It seems that a couple of people who were banned from here were going on about how this forum was the "Pirate Forum," not only populated and supported by pirates, but also that advertisements and announcements featured known pirates.

These same people were also saying that they were still visiting this forum, under different names.

The funny thing was -- the new moderators from the General Forum apparently don't like the pirate accusations any more than the old ones. Three people were banned in the last week (2 for 2 days and 1 permanantly) for stirring up unsubstantiated garbage. Since the ban, that forum got eerily quiet. I guess those people feel they need a playground to bully in, but luckily, they seem to be the only ones playing.

If I hadn't said it before, I would like to thank the mods here for keeping things peaceful and mature. It makes this a nice place to visit, even when we don't all agree.

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Birdofsong

It appears that one of the reasons they were banned over there was for media shifting content from this forum without permission.
Irony.

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KNOW THYSELF

Thanks for that, BoS..

It's funny how the human brain can run off in all directions at times..

I don't support pirates, and I don't pirate..

However, the actual owners of the music are the ones damaged.. not the ones that pressed way too many disks and funneled them into the distribution chain..

"I'm Just Sayin'."

(Sad that nobody asked about the garage full of bogus disks I posted about a while back)

You'd be surprised how little the original arist gets......in my opinion, the biggest damage will come to us.....because they'll quit making karaoke, and maybe all recorded music, if they can't make any money....

Sadly, I agree.. I would hate to Karaoke go down that path.. but with money involved, how can it not?

On a side note, song writers these days are publishing on the interwebtubes..

Some with amazing success..

I applaud them..

Thanks, Bird. I also took a peek over there last week and was not surprised to see the usual suspects up to their usual garbage spouting over there, since they've been banned here. Gotta have someplace to post all that crap, I guess. Sad thing is that they are labeling everyone here, without exception, including the board owners and mods, as pirates and/or pirate supporters. They are accusing the mods of being pro-pirate (haha!) and deleting their posts if they disagreed with us "pro-pirate supporters"!
And to see that they were banned over there as well just makes it even more comedic!
I hope they enjoy lurking over here under more fake id's because after what they've accused every one here of, I doubt very much if they would be welcomed back with open arms.

B.O.S., I disagree with your assessment as them being Kindergarten teachers. For one, they never really moderated anything...it was pretty p!ss poor. On top of that the rhetoric and arguing is/was 10X worse here! The MyDJtalk people obviously have a grudge against Karaoke as not being legitimate entertainers while "Bubble Party" DJ's and "Trivia Hosts" still get to hangout. They got all upset because people were arguing...arguing about real issues of the day, Piracy, etc. Well boo-hoo....that's the state of the KJ world today! It's reality!

Insult #1was branching off KJ's to a completely separate website & forum. Asinine and completely unnecessary as they were already in a separate sub-forum. Then the original founder washed his hands completely and slunk out the back door like a coward, handing the entire forum over to a generic catch-all site run by kids who probably have never even been in a karaoke bar. That's when I bailed and haven't looked back.

There is nothing to see there now, they did fantastic job killing it which I believe was the goal all along.

I was going to "ignore the bad" but feel I must speak up, here. This thread is only about causing more drama and not about being relieved that it is gone. There is at least one mod here who is also a member of the other forum so I'm sure they are well aware of what is going on. That forum also re-assessed the bans and removed them while adding a better explanation of the rules of that forum.

I am beginning to agree that there could be a bias here. I have seen SC called theives, pirates, twits, etc. and when I protest, it is explained that it is not name calling if it is true. Well, it still causes bad feelings, whether or not you believe it is true. Also, supposedly we aren't supposed to argue or comment on banned members when they are not here to respond yet it is allowed for some people to start a thread about them??????? Why not just PM the mods if it is important to alert them?

I don't like getting too heated on either side and I don't agree with every little thing that people on what might be called "my side" do. I think any personal info not related to karaoke does not belong in the argument, for instance. And I feel the legal information is valuable and is what is happening in the industry today and don't want to see the entire subject banned due to inappropriate ways of discussing it. But I know that some of the extremism comes out of frustration with the type of thing that is happening on this thread where some people are allowed to get away with things that others might get reprimanded or banned for doing.

I don't think anyone wanted the same thing to happen here, which is why I am grateful for the Piracy/Legalities area and the moderation. I have no ax to grind either direction -- I just don't want legality/piracy to pervade every area of the forum as it seemed to tend to do.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Exactly, I agree. Any forum is going to have debate! That's one of the reasons they exist at all, so we can discuss our mutual interest pro/con. They just wanted happy-happy talk where everyone patted each other on the back like their DJ forums and piracy wasn't discussed. The irony is that piracy is a thousand times worse in the club DJ world.

There is a difference between a forum member on one hand and an industry player on the other. SC, by virtue of being an industry player, is fair game. It's like talking about Wal-Mart, George Soros or the Koch Brothers. Probably none of them deserve everything that is said about them, but they are fair game by virtue of their position.

This does not apply to forum members, except perhaps as they might make official visits representing said industry players. You can attack SC where you can't attack an individual in this forum, and that should be understood and expected.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I agree. Sound Choice is one thing, and fair game but Kurt Slep is another and NOT fair game. Two different entities.

In his case, not so much. He is the CEO of Sound Choice, or something approximating that, so he can be presumed to speak for and be responsible for some things there. But he deserves the same amount of respect on a personal basis as any one of us here. That means attacks should be on his business and his conduct of that, and not personal. They should also not impugn motives, for business is business.

Again, to some extent that is fair game by virtue of his position. But I don't think you see him complaining -- I assume he is a big boy and knows the score. Certainly no one here needs to defend him by making personal attacks on others.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Leopard,

Nobody is arguing the fact that the legal information is, important. However, when members of one side go to another forum and continue to sling accusations about people on this forum, I see this as being relevant and not meant for private consumption.

The bans didn't happen because people disagree. The bans happened because people make personal attacks. And if you have noticed, all of the people banned happen to have been from the same side. This does not mean that there is some bias against Sound Choice Cheerleaders. It simply means that those particular cheerleaders had the most abrasive way of trying to get their point across, and continuously made unsubstantiated personal attacks on other members here. It may be easy for you to "ignore the bad," but that may be because I've never seen you on the other end of those accusations.

I think it's important to discuss what has been said about this forum on the other forum, and who has been saying it, because those people are lurking here and inevitably will come back as soon as their bans are over.

Just my humble opinion.

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Birdofsong

"Ignore the bad, praise the good," is an old dog training and probably people training adage. In other words, if the dog or human doesn't get any attention for a certain behavior then it will eventually quit doing that behavior. So it was against my better judgement to even get involved with this particular topic and I fully expected it to be immediately pulled, anyway. I was surprised to see it praised, instead.

I may not have been attacked on here (nor have I accused anyone who is against SC of being a pirate nor do I agree with that tactic) but I was continuosly attacked and being accused of being things I was not by people on the brand X forum until I finally left. And I don't think I was even one of the more radical posters. It was around then that I noticed people who had been fairly reasonable up until that point (with the exception of one who has since resurfaced) getting fed up and fighting like with like. People on the "other" side were also getting regularly banned, as I recall.

As for this forum, while people may be unfairly labelled as pirates, so are the "other side" unfairly labelled who are continuously told that if they support SC then they are incompetent hosts who can't run a show or get shows on their own without SCs help. Athena was even accused of having a mental disorder and "loving her rapist" on the other forum which just made me sick. People who are also on this forum supported that. And I don't care if Kurt Slep is head of a company. At one point he was a member of this forum and the attacks did go to personal and not just judgments on his company or it's methods.

To me, neither side is going to let anything go and will always respond in an inflamed way to anything so we probably will lose the legal section, anyway. My point is, it isn't just one side but one side gets most of the blame. The fact that this thread was started to point fingers and tattle on the nasty people instead of just let the moderators know the forum was being kicked around elsewhere shows this. It just throws fuel on the fire instead of letting the ones that need to handle the situation handle it and let it burn out.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, Leopard. If the mods feel this thread is inappropriate, I have no beef with them deleting it. I was certainly not trying to start anything. I felt it was relevant, and it concerned me, especially with what was being said. I do find it interesting that you would bring up that particularly offensive comment from the other forum that was said about Athena. It was inappropriate when it was posted over there, and certainly didn't need to be restated over here. For someone who is not interested in throwing fuel on the fire, you picked a particularly flammable item to include over here.

Let's move on...shall we?

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Birdofsong

First, your quote (from Proformance) regarding Athena is incorrect AND at the same time out of context thereby making it appear much more "flammable" than it was ever was or was intended.

Second, Kurt Slep is just as guilty at slinging "personal mud" as anyone else you care to point to. He's a big boy and doesn't need your defense. And that includes their legal counsel and owners of Chartbuster who are just as good at slinging mud.

Third, No one that I know of has ever said that if a host supports "SC then they are incompetent hosts who can't run a show or get shows on their own without SCs help." Having -or not having- that single brand does not make OR break any show. Wouldn't you agree? If a host feels they must have that brand, then they believe not having it will break their show.

Fourth, If you were the owner or moderator at a forum, wouldn't you want to know if banned people were spreading libelous misinformation at other forum sites? I would.

Forums are just like a television, there are a number of channels to watch, if you don't like what you read on this channel, please feel free to change it.

If being annoying or being full of baloney become bannable offenses, then there are some people who might have something to worry about.

It might make sense to be a bit less tendentious in our replies -- can't we keep it a bit more friendly?

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

That's just plain wrong. There is such a thing as revenue enhancement. The show may go on, but it may not be as profitable by any manner or means.

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[color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color]
Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

We do not engage in ad hominem debate, and we'll thank you not to drag us into your sandlot pushing matches.