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Will You Delete CB From Your HD To Avoid Litigation?
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I believe Chartbuster will have similar settlement requirements in having defendants delete ALL MANUFACTURER'S songs off of HD's like SC is requiring! This would be outstanding!

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well if I was still working i would say HELL no. I payed good money for the discs that I have, I am damn well going to use them. I would try to see if they'd be willing to make some kind of arrangement with the audit fees tho.


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I've done the sound choice audit, but between the 2 rigs I have 14 or 16 chartbuster disks, won't pay 200.00 to prove it.


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it would be great if they would get the lawsuits going here. if people were forced to delete CB & SC i would be busy 7 nights a week!

for some reason that's what people want to sing here.

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Do you mean one's you have cdgs for, ones you don't have cdgs for......or both?.... :? :lol:


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Do you mean one's you have cdgs for, ones you don't have cdgs for......or both?.... :? :lol:

Is there a difference?


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I would skip the whole PC bit entirely, base my show on original mfrs. discs, and play any brand anyone wanted with no fear of litigation......oh wait- that's what I did! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

OK, fun aside: IF I were using a PC, I would delete SC, but until CB shows the same sort of "investigational problems" I don't think I'd worry much about them. I have yet to hear of the same sort misadvenures SC has had attributed to CB. I'm guessing they are being a little more careful about their accusations, having learned from others' errors.

Keep in mind that CB still has an actual customer base to worry about and continue to build.

I'm not saying they may not change their mind later, but probably not until or if they have given up the business of karaoke music production.

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ed g wrote:
I've done the sound choice audit, but between the 2 rigs, I have 14 or 16 chartbuster disks, won't pay 200.00 to prove it.


In your case, you'd probably have to wait and see if CB decides to name you in a Lawsuit. Then you'd get to have a free audit from them (CB) out of it.


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i talked to cb about it since I am now on a program buy for their monthlies. My cb library is 4 months of monthlies and 5 disks that i purchased over the years with songs for regulars. I own them two across and they said since i did the sc audit and called them (cb) don't sweat it. I'm also ordering the media drives for things i am missing. I still try to have just about every song out there, never needed every version of every song. For years one rig had mostly pop hits for current stuff and the other had sc . We swapped rigs between the shows every couple weeks so our regulars were used to seeing different versions (and different choices). I recently purchased a Gem for the one w/o SC and a load of PHM for missing songs in the other. There is still about 1500 songs that are in one or the other but not both. I think the media drives will help with this.


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I have done the audit for both sound choice and chartbuster and the chartbuster is 199.00 but when you pass the audit they let you use the $199.00 as a credit to buy anything you want from them so if your like me and buy new music each month then it's really no problem and then i like being certified by both company's because the are doing lawsuits in my area and i have nothing to worry about.
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I'm not deleting it as we paid for it and I'm using it but then we are disc. But I must say that their whole audit thing is delaying us from switching to computer because I don't think I can afford to keep them if the renewal fees are that high. It doesn't matter if there is a credit because maybe we don't need that much CB product each year. And | hate to be forced into compuhost.

But the thing is, it looks like they are trying to delete us. I just tried to do a custom (which I swore never again after the last time but I was relenting) and you can't even get tracks to come up on their website. I even put in Crazy by Patsy Cline as I thought that would be a sure thing and it said there were no tracks available in that category. I get so frustrated every time I try to order.


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same here I paid for them i'm using them and not paying for any audit....!

most of my disc's are chartbusters essentials 1-7 and a bunch of 6+6 & 8 +8 discs and others.

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I would like to make a very late addition to my other post.

From what little I can learn of CB, they really don't seem to be going after anyone- probably having learned from SC's amazing amount of errors.

I'm beginning to think that MAYBE CB is merely using SC's actions as a way to convince hosts to pay for THEIR audits. In other words, SC does the intimidating, and CB reaps the benefit of an added income without risking the loss of image that SC has suffered- keeping their customer base happy.

Kind of a brilliant business move if you think about it...

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and CB reaps the benefit of an added income without risking the loss of image that SC has suffered- keeping their customer base happy.

Kind of a brilliant business move if you think about it....

Not really, and I don't think their image remains spotless. $200 per year, even if you get that back in credit for purchases, is rather steep. At this point, I know I won't be purchasing $200 worth of CB discs in a year. A combination of brands, yes; I would easily spend that, but all CB? No way.
I know my opinion of them had gone closer towards the toilet because of it.


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i read at this website (soundchoicesucksdotcom).

this is in the sound choice audit agreement.
and we know that all companies are working together so audit agreements will be simular.

4. SCOPE OF AUDIT. Sound Choice will conduct an audit of your karaoke library to determine whether you have legitimately acquired a legal copy of every Sound Choice karaoke accompaniment track stored in your karaoke library. A Sound Choice track is deemed to have been legitimately acquired only if you own an original CD+G (compact disc plus graphics) disc containing that track. If you have transferred the track to another format (“media-shifted”), you must own an original CD+G disc containing that track for each such system to which you have transferred that track, in order to be considered in compliance. Sound Choice has also been authorized by other manufacturers of karaoke accompaniment tracks, including Chartbuster, Stellar, Pocket Songs, Priddis Music, and others, to perform a simultaneous audit on their behalf; your audit may include those manufacturers. Sound Choice will provide the results to those manufacturers, who may begin their own lawsuits against you if you are not in compliance. These other manufacturers will be identified on the day of the audit.

if i did an audit (I wont), I would video tape the session and start with a comment that says "your only authorized to look at your companies files that your company produced, any attempt to look at any other files will be "invasion of my privacy, and an illegal search without my permission and will result in a lawsuit against your company!".

you have rights too. don't let them bully you!

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i read at this website (soundchoicesucksdotcom).

this is in the sound choice audit agreement.
and we know that all companies are working together so audit agreements will be simular.

4. SCOPE OF AUDIT. Sound Choice will conduct an audit of your karaoke library to determine whether you have legitimately acquired a legal copy of every Sound Choice karaoke accompaniment track stored in your karaoke library. A Sound Choice track is deemed to have been legitimately acquired only if you own an original CD+G (compact disc plus graphics) disc containing that track. If you have transferred the track to another format (“media-shifted”), you must own an original CD+G disc containing that track for each such system to which you have transferred that track, in order to be considered in compliance. Sound Choice has also been authorized by other manufacturers of karaoke accompaniment tracks, including Chartbuster, Stellar, Pocket Songs, Priddis Music, and others, to perform a simultaneous audit on their behalf; your audit may include those manufacturers. Sound Choice will provide the results to those manufacturers, who may begin their own lawsuits against you if you are not in compliance. These other manufacturers will be identified on the day of the audit.


FYI as an aside: There is no such clause in the GEM agreement.

http://www.soundchoicestore.com/skin1/i ... icense.pdf


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and CB reaps the benefit of an added income without risking the loss of image that SC has suffered- keeping their customer base happy.

Kind of a brilliant business move if you think about it....

Not really, and I don't think their image remains spotless. $200 per year, even if you get that back in credit for purchases, is rather steep. At this point, I know I won't be purchasing $200 worth of CB discs in a year. A combination of brands, yes; I would easily spend that, but all CB? No way.
I know my opinion of them had gone closer towards the toilet because of it.


Diafel, I'm not saying that it's NICE, I'm only saying that they are riding in SC's wake free of charge and worry.

A cost of $200 would suck, but only if one PAID it. The thing is, the only reason anyone even thinks about the CB audit at all is because of all the problems SC has been causing, not because of anything CB has done.

In other words, people are only considering CB audits because they think CB will do the same as SC. There's no $200 cost if one doesn't do the audit, and one will only do the audit because SC intimidated them.

CB is simply using SC and SC's efforts an getting a free piggyback ride. Kind of a weird bit of justice, in a way.

Attaway, SC! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

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I was unaware that CB credited the audit, if that is the case I will certify with them since I am now getting about 80.00 of disks from them a month anyway. Thanks for that info.


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4. RESTRICTIONS ON MEDIA/CONTENT LICENSE.

(a) FIELD OF USE. This license is restricted to use of the Media and Content by you to conduct the commercial business of providing live karaoke entertainment to or for third parties. It is not for private home use or for license to the general public.

Say what? You can't use it at your house? Just when you think you've heard everything, you haven't.


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JoeChartreuse wrote:

CB is simply using SC and SC's efforts an getting a free piggyback ride. Kind of a weird bit of justice, in a way.

I agree. Seems that they ARE using SC's intimidation tactics to their own benefit.


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