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It is quite evident that all legal hosts are against piracy, that is the point that can be agreed upon. The other positions fall into three camps.


1. Give full support to the manus and their efforts in obtaining monetary compensation. No mater what methods they employ since piracy must be stamped out. In the hope some advantages will come from being on the winning side. Supplying information and what ever other aid they can provide.


2.The second group sits on the fence and waits for the karaoke drama to play itself out. Also looking for advantages that will come when the fight is over.


3.The third group are the hosts that feel it is wrong to let 1 or 2 manus control a whole industry. They chose not to support SC, some have taken SC out of library, and refuse to supply them with information. They believe that all of these legal suits will damage the industry more than help it.


This is all just my opinion, if I have left any group out please let me know. With these differing views is it possible for the hosts to develop some sort of consensus? I know this is a hard thing to do since even the manus have different approaches on how to deal with piracy.

If you have been reading anything at all you should have noticed that the Manu's are not trying to stamp out piracy! They are trying to make pirates legal by selling them the discs needed to make them legal, and scaring other pirates into removing their product before they are named in a lawsuit.

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If you have read my posts you would notice that I never for a minute have believed that the manus are doing anything out of a sense of morality, but rather as a matter of dollars and cents. If they stamp out any pirates it will only be those they get to quit for a number of years, probably tied to how long they intend to keep this farce up. I was referring to the hope of the cheerleaders that SC will return karaoke to some kind of mythical golden age that seemed to exist before technology and piracy ruined everything. I agree with you Lone Wolf that the only way for SC to survive is to make the offenders their new customers. The whole point is should all hosts put their trust in a few manus to decide the future of the industry? Can we as a group come to some kind of general understanding? This would be the first step in trying to solve the problem as an industry rather than one or two corporations.

As long as the cheerleaders insist that if you're not a cheerleader, then everyone else is either a pirate or a pirate lover, then my guess would have to be, "no".

As long as this forum and moderators stay neutral, don't pick a "side" and let the rest of us argue/battle this out.

What happened to the middle ground for the rest of us that feel a certian way about one part of the equation and then feel entirely differant about another part of the equation. Where do we fall in all this? I do cheer for some of the things the "cheerleaders" are for and support (so does that make me a cheerleader?) but I also believe there are people that honestly don't think they are pirating music. To throw a blanket over people and class them into a group can be dangerous to us all and it has happened and once that happens the minds begin to close to alternative ideas. I think a lot of people here can and have brought a lot of good to the table from both sides and then there are those that still think the world is flat no matter the evidence to prove otherwise. It has turned into an "us or them" forum which I see has very little life left if it continues down the path it is headed. Just sayin'

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I fully agree. Much better said than I could have. Thanks.

Here we go again. While I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs with regards to piracy here's something to ponder.....
The most Anti SC whiners on these boards who continually complain and bring up the same issues over and over are the ones who have been affected the least by Sound Choice and Piracy. They are the first ones to tell you that what manu you carry holds little to no value with regards to the quality of your show. They also are the first ones to point out that Piracy has done nothing to them as far as losing shows, less pay, new business, etc. They say that a host's ability is the most important thing. Undercutters, cheap venue owners, etc have had no impact on their karaoke business.
They are also totally hell bent on trashing anything involved with SC and most recently CB. Even though most if not all of these whiners are strictly disc-based and therefore immune to any audits and/or lawsuits they still spew unwarranted and vicious attacks on anyone who disagres with them.
They are the ones who have ceased playing SC and/or CB karaoke tracks during their shows but still feel the need to come here and start an arguement with anyone who will bite.
The simple fact is SC and CB don't control the karaoke market. There are many other manus to choose from and always will be. If the whiners wanna boycott them so be it. It's their right. The two most popular and requested karaoke manus want what was taken from them. That is also their right as well!
I will support them and believe that they are trying to fight piracy and at the same time recoup what was stolen from them.

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Blame whomever you want in your own mind, but personally, I think you've gone too far with this post. All you're doing now is stirring up more aggression and cause some of us to want to defend ourselves and our positions. Give it a rest already!

I couldn't agree more with you clear observation.

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I think the main consensus is that we are ALL anti-piracy. However, that's pretty much where the consensus ends. I don't think this group can agree on the color of the sky, let alone the right way to handle this issue. That's not going to change.

We are all opinionated and we all feel strongly about stating those opinions. However, I am wondering why exactly is it that when Cheerleaders state their position they are lauded, and when those of us who don't approve of what Sound Choice is doing to this industry state our opinion, we are called "whiners?"

A comment was made that the mods should stay neutral. I agree. However, every once in a while there is a comment from a mod telling us to "get over it and shut up," and I think it's pretty offensive, considering the Cheerleaders have free reign to state their opinions, and yes, ad nauseum.

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Well said!
I'm getting tired of being accused of being a whiner, having my posts deleted because a mod simply doesn't agree with it, and getting warnings because I answered question that was asked right here in this thread. Did the cheerleaders get a warning too? I sure hope so, but I sincerely doubt it!
And I too am getting tired of the occasional mod telling us to quit whining while the cheerleaders have free rein to state their opinion ad nauseum without so much as a second look.

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No

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Posts can be/are deleted because they provide nothing to the conversation..

Second guessing moderators can be a 30 day or permanent ban.

Whining about others, provides little to any conversation.

Last warning..

Stop the bickering..

I would have to agree with earthling and I would add that it can't be done with a monopoly either.

Wise words indeed.. and no, cheerleaders are not immune..

The bans will start as soon as the whining continues.

Sometimes you have to agree to dis-agree.. and stop the nonsense.

Pro and anti manu posts are next in line for deletion.

These type of posts contribute little to Karaoke Scene..

I suggest you start singing more, and enjoy your time out at night..

'nuff said!

Because I support SC, CB, and soon Stellar I'm labeled a "cheerleader". In most cases that word is considered a term of endearment but on these boards it wreaks of sarcasm and vitriol. Anti SC folks throw that word around constantly trying to provoke or belittle any pro SC poster and yet get their panties in a wad when the tables are turned.
These discussions are heated now and sides have definitely been taken. Most are firmly planted with their beliefs and anything contradictory to that fuels the fire. We are at the point of needing moderators ourselves to even converse on this subject let alone agree on anything.
It's a tough road from here no matter whose side your on.

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Here here!!!!! Amen and pass the plate! Let's eat!

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