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From another thread....


OK, confused on this one.....

SC/Kurt is telling you you can run 2 karaoke systems (2 stages) on one set of discs (gem I assume)?

If this is true, I am buying the GEM set, setting up a server at my house, and gonna stream the audio/video to hosting laptops on different stages. Thing is those stages probably will be in different bars. I can get the bandwidth to do it to, probably could stream to 10-20 stages at once.

If Kurt is really saying that it is ok to do multiple stages on one set, it pisses me off to no end. Basically Kurt is saying that as long as you go GEM, we won't bust you.

I could be off base here, but there seems to be a difference between having a single PC with multiple audio/video outs sending multiple decoded audio/video signals to separate stages under the same roof versus streaming the encoded files via a server over the internet to different locations.

I have wondered this myself, as there is a place here in Sarasota that does just this. They have multiple small sized rooms to rent by the hour and one larger lounge. It seems they run off a single server and one set of discs.

http://kroakys.com/


Streaming. Another grey area.

You can't stream, so for instance, you can't have a central files-server with clients accessing the songs.

The other thing you have to make sure is that the same song, isn't being sung at the same time (constitutes over 1:1)

Now a PC with multiple desktops (let's say 3) can do it. You can control on desktop 1, and have a separate karaoke screens running on 2 and 3. In the case of autokdj, you'd have 2 instances of winamp running on the same PC, but outputting a/v to separate channels.

This applies to more than just GEM series. You technically only have 1 set of karaoke, at 1 location. Even without PC's you can do this if you have 2 karaoke machines and run back and forth between stages with discs.

This was brought up in another thread. Wasn't answered by a manu but the general belief would be that if there was central server IN a location that could block/prohibit the same song being played at the same time then it would still be construed as 1:1.
I've done disc based shows in the past where we played in two separate rooms (in the same establishment) where we would run between songs to grab the next discs for the songs we'd need from the other room. Meaning one room would be able to play the songs while the other room would have to wait. It was alot more hassle on the kj's part, but worked just the same.
If a server could act the same way (under the same roof) then I could see it as no problem and still remain in the 1:1 ratio - provided the original discs is only what the server had on them.

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Yeah, I understand not playing the same song in 2 different location at same time, but it still doesn't compute.......

If you are setting up multiple desktops, you are still "streaming" to say to multiple locations. It is going from point A to point B in a data format (the lyrics screen since that is what SC/CB are suing over).

Does it really mater what distance the "stream" is?
50 foot?
100 foot?
500 foot?
1/4 mile?
5 miles?
20 miles?
100 miles?
Where is the cutoff?

So say you have a venue with multiple ballrooms. Can you SHARE the same songs over a server to say the Wedding in ballroom A, the anniversary in ballroom B, and the corporate part in ballroom C?


Isn't this basically another form of multi-rigging?

As long as you had a way to limit the play to only one instance per song I don't see the difference here.

Wasn't CB talking about doing something similar a while back as a service, (maybe I dreamed that)?

Heck, I would pay for a stream service from SC or CB if I could have access to their entire libraries. Say $0.25 per song (or more)? But I would also have my music.

So when the people come up and ask "do you have this song" I can say YES I DO, just like the pirates. I can be just like a pirate and advertise that I virtually have every song available, again just like the pirates. Now that would decrease my operating expenses because, and I could charge less, and LEGALLY compete with the pirates, and put THEM out of business.

Hope SC/CB are listening!

Not exactly, you're running 1 PC, at one physical address. Multi-rigging by definition is multiple PC's, at multiple addresses.

If a song playing in one room is not able to be accessed in another room, I wouldn't think it would be any different than 1 set of discs being used for multiple rooms. Only one disc could be played at a time, so there is no multi-rigging at hand. Again this I believe would only work if the rooms are under the same establishment. I don't think it would be this way if someone tried to run several different shows with a server at home (nor would I want to stream any show anyway due to internet unreliability).

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this goes back to a question i posted months ago. couldn't i rip all my discs, and say "i have 2 copies of SC home sweet home" and put one on each of 2 computers? this sounds like splitting a disc into because in Toqer's case he could play 2 songs from the same disc on 2 systems at the same time. even the GEM contract says you can not split the discs to different systems. are we NOW allowed to split the discs? that would be sweet if it is so.

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I think it means not splitting into two different systems for two different clubs. In toqers scenerio, there would still only be one set of discs for that one establishment - but under different rooms, in which if a song was playing in Room A, it could not be accessed or played In rooms B or C, etc, until the song is finished playing in the first room. So it would not be like splitting a disc, each room could only access the songs that are not being used in the other rooms.

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Still multi-rigging to me.

Think we need a opinion or SC or CB.

Multi rigging is taking one set of discs & making a copy of said discs for each system so in this case if it were true multi rigging, each room could play the same song simultaneoulsy. In the scenerio I laid out only one room at a time could play a song, if the others want the same song, they'd have to wait their turn until the song was available.
But yes i'd like to here from SC or CB on this as well.

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So then no difference ruining a server, as long as it won't "stream" the same song at once?


And just what if.....

Say there is the venue with 10 rentable rooms....
One DJ/K company could stream to those 10 different rooms and that would be OK?
But another DJ/KJ company has 2 bar gigs same nite 10 miles apart and wants to stream from the "home server" that would be wrong?
(Assuming both systems won't allow the same song to be played at the same time)