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how have i missed this one?

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lol, I know a guy that will brew a pot of coffee before he goes to bed, then in the morning, POUR that brewed pot back into the reservoir & brew a new pot for the morning using last nights brewed coffee. I still don't know how he can drink it when it' done.
We would go camping and he'd take a half of bag of fresh grounds, dump them in a coffee can, fill it half with water and boil in on the fire for his morning coffee then strain it out and drink! It was more than a stout cup of coffee!

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That's just sick and wrong!



Of course and nobody is saying they should serve lukewarm coffee. But that "Hot Temperature" doesnt have to be (and is no longer) 180-190 degrees as described in the McDonalds employee manual at that time. With each degree in reduction the time for a burn decreases exponentially. It is now served at 170. Just 10-20 degrees (imperceptible really as you cant drink 180-190 degree coffee anyway) would have made the difference between an annoyance and 8 days in the hospital. Have you actually ordered McDonalds coffee today? The temp is just fine. Not at all "warm", but plenty hot. But it also wont send you to the ER if the employee handing it to you through the drive thru window doesnt put the lid on correctly and it spills all over you.

This wasn't some idiot intentionally pouring coffee on themselves. In fact it was an elderly grandmother. It was an accident, they happen. But the results wouldn't have been so unnecessarily horrific if they had realistic drive-through window serving temperatures. One could take the same argument about seat belts and airbags, but you wont convince me that consumer protections such as these aren't good things.

I guessing this guy was ex-military...I am and have done the same thing but brewing the second pot with the one brewed last night is hard on the coffee maker.

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Oh it is, he has to replace it every couple years. He says he does a cleaning cycle every couple days to flush it out.=

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Ahh, the early years. A cup of heated leftover coffee in the morning, smoking a cigarette. A poison brew & a cancer stick. An enjoyable morning routine combination at the time.

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Why are you all obsessing about coffee??

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They started it!

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Probably because they didn't get any sleep.

I made the mistake of referencing the frivolous lawsuit to start them all - McDonald's vs. "clumsy mcspillsalot not hot." Frivolous or not, we were all bamboozled & contrary to allegations, I believe most were trying to be compliant & not infringe, as there were enough people concerned, that MTU hired a lawyer firm to study & clearly state the legality of a 1:1 ripping of software/music purchased on a CDG, which was echoed on a number of legal pages in various States' karaoke 'official' sites. Then without warning, or cease & desist (making it an obvious $$ motivated scheme) in swoops the vultures claiming damages, meanwhile doing more damage to the entire industry and the "evil pirate KJ's," who usually struggle to keep a roof over their heads, with all their I'll gotten booty ... Arrrrrrrr. There should be a class action suit. While I have denied being a part of others, this one would be one of the least frivolous, where the poor were actually damaged by the rich... Robin Hood, where art thou??

You have so many things wrong, factually, that it's hard to know where to begin.

First, "most" operators aren't "trying to be compliant and not infringe," and here's how we know. We know how many discs were made and sold. For example, the last disc that was made sold about 750 copies. But the contents of that disc are widely available--at nearly every show we go to, and we've been to thousands.

Second, for years before it began suing anybody, SC provided warnings on the discs and in the packaging against media-shifting. We told everyone who would listen that media-shifting was against our policy. Two years before we sued anyone, we implemented the media-shifting policy that required not just 1:1 correspondence but actual notice to us. For a year before we sued anyone, we sent demand letter after demand letter--with a response rate of less than 5%. Even after we began suing, we offered every operator who could show 1:1 correspondence (after being sued) the opportunity to prove it and get out of the lawsuit. Hardly anyone took us up on it.

Third, the reason why KJs struggle is simple: The oversupply of services, brought on by wanton theft by pirates, has driven prices to subsistence levels. We have no interest in setting prices for the industry, but increasing rates is a side effect of our anti-piracy activity--and legitimate operators who are getting paid at legitimate rates can afford our music.

Fourth, if you think the people at SC are rich, think again. We frequently litigate against defendants that are far better funded than we are. Even making a 5-person payroll is a struggle at times. So your hate is misdirected.

As for a class-action suit, what are the claims? "They sued people who were pirating their products because they were greedy. We should be able to steal as much as we like, unmolested by the courts and this evil 5-person corporation that, by the way, created all the karaoke tracks we love so much." If you think that is a winner, go ahead. But pardon me for rolling my eyes.

not quite....
"They sued people who purchased their products because they were greedy. We should be able to protect and use those products that we purchased as much as we like, unmolested by the courts and this evil 5-person corporation that, by the way, created all the karaoke tracks we love so much and are trying to protect and use."

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But they aren't suing people that bought the product AND still possess it.

Look at the lawsuits up to this point. Anyone who showed 1:1 after getting sued was let off.

Not a single person (that I am aware of) who has shown 1:1 has had to buy a GEM or pay a settlement as result of a Sound Choice lawsuit.

It is ONLY the people that have not been able to demonstrate 1:1 compliance that have actually settled.

Now I won't speak for what SC/PEP plans are under the new policy, but I imagine they are still more interested in pursuing those that use Sound Choice product from a PC without having any discs.

Of course the door is still open for them to sue anyone that is not certified or not a HELP licensee and media shifts, but I don't think they really want to sue those particular folks. There are plenty of pirates out there they can grab. They want people who have never paid a penny for their product AND those that don't have any discs at all.

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The only opportunity I could possibly see for there to be a justifiable reason for instigating a class-action suit would be IF it were proven in court that there was infringement on the part of SC/PEP, especially regarding these GEM things. If that precedent were set, then class action would have some grounds from which to build a case. Hence, the reason the insurance issue becomes paramount. Here is one question that might come to mind for many folks: How can a five employee company continue to even afford the premiums on such a highly used policy, in recent past, present, and undoubtedly, the not-so-distant future?

Sadly, the way the "Law" works most times, you must have an interest in the class.

Copyright owners do have an interest.

Purchase a product, not so much.. Civil small claims court maybe.. Not worth it..

Paradigm, you say you want to protect your purchase. We all do and I protect what I own through insurance. If something I own is lost and unavailable, I have to get a substitute. Other than IP, what items can someone duplicate for next to almost nothing? Certainly not your house, car, household items, furniture, clothing etc. So why is IP any different from those things I mentioned? You lose any of those items, you have to rebuy from the manufacturer. Why do people not get this? And when a manufacturer allows for a copy to be made at a fraction of the cost, people complain about that? Man I'd love to have a second car, exactly like my first one for a small fraction of the cost.

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Why don't you get that grand theft auto, is a large deterent from stealing a vehicle, but when I had 500 discs stolen in 2001, I could not get the investigating officer to take my claims seriously, there was 500 CDG's Marked with the show name & disc #'s, & the coffin/disc holders... I believe officially the wording was "lots of music..." WTF? @ that time, in this area to insure mobile electronic gear for music & CD's (CDG's) cost so much, I could've bought a new really nice P.A. system every year, instead,because of the ease of theft of same. Besides the fact that they damage themselves in transport and use, & become out of print or otherwise unobtainable after time. Your car gets stolen, totaled with or without theft insurance, you can expect to reasonably replace your vehicle (they don't become rarities for 30-40 years, so it's like comparing apples & oranges)

Could you please translate this into English now. I couldn't understand the point you were trying to make here.

what you are missing is that unlike the house, car, clothing etc, using digital backups of discs for shows is the accepted norm of every entity in music and karaoke but one. things like my '73 Fender P Bass is not replaceable, so it does not go out to shows. discs....ESPECIALLY the SC discs are not replaceable, but are also self deteriorating (just think of the threads over the years about the pin holes that are rampant on them). so there is quite a big difference between the two.

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Making sure I didn't miss anything--is it reopened currently or prospectively?