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Just wonderin'.. Cueball....how many disc's do you cart around? I have over 700 disc's.. and they weigh a ton! Plus the damage that happens pulling them in and out sleeves/cd trays. When I apply for my audits (and I will by the end of the week), I will ask for permission from SC and CB, but to try to find DK and some other off the wall brands...I'll just have to take my chances.

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I have a little bit over 1000 discs, and I run a Disc-Operated show. My discs are stored in Case Logic books (4 of them), and they weigh about the same as a bowling ball.

I am very PC iliterate (which is funny, since I've been working on a Mainframe for over 31 years now), and I just don't have the time to convert everything over to another medium. Plus, since I only do a few shows in the entire year, it really doesn't pay for me to invest my time in doing that.

KJAthena, here is the rub from my point of view:

You are the first to harp on everyone that "mediashifting is ILLEGAL without permission." You don't have a problem reminding whoever that you "must have permission" to mediashift IN ADVANCE.. yadda, yadda, yadda..

Although many of us don't believe that shifting is a violation of anything, you have taken the stand time and time again that doing so is illegal.

Here are a few examples:












Now you are claiming that you have media shifted a number of different labels without permission AND in advance of any permission. By your own words it is a violation of trademark, that you CAN'T use digital files including those from orphaned/overseas labels, it's NOT a "right you are granted without proving 1-1 status in advance.

But now you claim that you use all these brands without permission in advance, and that you will continue to do so until you are hauled into court and told otherwise by a judge?

Do you realize that this is the very same action and attitude taken by the very people that SC is suing on a daily basis? How can you possibly believe that you are not also in violation of trademark, using counterfeit material in commerce, engaging in unfair business practices and worst of all; not guilty of the very same piracy?

Why are you not as willing to hold yourself to the same legal and moral high standards that you demand of everyone else?

You don't consider yourself a pirate at all, but your actions and now your own words are conflicting - by your own definitions. So what is it?

I'd like to know and get an opinion from HarringtonLaw on all this.

Chip
I really love the way you use partial quotes to twist things so...Please people read the entire thread to see what was written. And yes I am fine with my decision and my morals stand true. If any manufacture wishes to take me to court to enforce the apparent legal stance on media-shifting I will deal with it then. I have made many attempts to track down orphan and out of karaoke business manufactures for many years. It was my own decision to only copy 1-1 due to my morals. They served me well.... When SC "came knocking" I came out just fine. Another good try.

(BTW Cueball I have NEVER driven drunk...therefore I have no worries of ever being caught.....but I guess one could argue never say never)

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Yes! I would also encourage anyone reading these threads to go back and read her entire posts for clarity. I believe that you'll find she has repeatedly condemned others for media shifting (a) without permission and (b) in advance. But it's apparently okay for her to participate in it on a wholesale level. Much like the parent saying; "do what I say, not what I do!"



"Apparent legal stance?" You mean you're not even sure?

This has nothing to do with a "good try." You say one thing and do another. And you take the same stance at defending it as most of the same people you report as pirates do: You've done it and you will defend your actions until you are hauled into court and told by a judge otherwise.

So like the rest of us, it appears that media shifting without permission or in advance as you've so often stated, is really no big deal to you either.

And keep in mind that you are defending what HarringtonLaw has specifically stated (and you've repeated over and over) is flat-out a violation of trademark law, counterfeiting, piracy and unfair business practices. But for some reason, you're exempted?

"Attempts to contact" or the failure to contact does not equate to permission to media shift the intellectual property of another. If that were true, there would be a whole bunch of people named in SC lawsuits that would use that excuse as a defense.


While most of us don't believe that media shifting is a violation of anything, you're waffling back and forth when it's convenient for you, is dizzying.

Chip
It is really time for me to let someone else waste time replying to you again. You really appear to be a frustrated wanna be lawyer...your tactics will not work on me.

Bright Blessings

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Whatever.

I can name a few and have them

Craftsman Tools - Free replacement if it ever fails.
Snap On Tools - Free replacement if it ever fails.
Husky Tools - Free replacement if it ever fails.

I have tools given to me that were my Grandfathers.
Take note that I'm almost 60 so these are really old tools. I have used, worn out and broken some of the Craftsman he gave me and have had the replaced FREE OF CHARGE.

It may not last FOREVER but I can get a new one FOREVER as can my kids, grand kids and future generations as long as the Company stays in business.

Unlike SC or CB who will give you a new disc (for a shipping charge) that is if it is still in their library.

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Good answer. I do have a question with this scenario.

When your tool broke, did Craftsman ship you a replacement or did you go into your local Sears store for replacement?

I would think if Sears shipped it, they may charge for shipping but since they are a HUGE company, they may be able to afford free shipping.

I would bet that if you took a broken CB disc to their offices in Tennessee, they would replace it without a shipping charge.

And if they no longer make said tool or have any in stock? Pray tell a steel tool is more durable than a CD.

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before the dogpile on Athena gets any bigger, i am not attacking her, if anyone else had given me those answers thew argument would be the same, it is the ideas i am questioning, not her.
just had to get that in the open.

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Cueball,
you are correct....that chance does exists and I guess every host will have to decide for themselves how much exposure they are willing to accept. I know for myself where that line is.

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I went to the local Sears and traded 1:1
if CB or SC would let me go to the local karaoke store and do the same then i would have no problem.

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REALLY??????

Please keep your hands in you pockets while standing around any car I don't want you to get your hands dirty.

They will always make wrenches, sockets, screw drivers, etc. and if they are out of stock I'm sure some are on the way.

Steel tool is more durable yes and that's why I rip my CD's and Vinals to HD and put them away because they are scratchable, breakable, etc.
I don't like carrying 100lbs or more worth of tools in my trunk but it is a necessity. I DON'T have to carry 100lbs of CD's so I don't.

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Put them in a Snap-On rolling case to bring to the show. Steel would weigh thousands of pounds more vs vinyl and plastic!

Just kidding LW....

I personally don't like Snap on. Must come from my days as a Mechanic....Snap on PRY off. Craftsman is my choice of tool and SC would be too if they treated people like Craftsman does.

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Thank you Paradigm

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Lonewolf are you high? Crapsman over snap on? OMG even craftsman pro dont feel right IE wrenches. I hope you are kidding. Ever use a 80 tooth Ratchet from Snap on? Yikes sorry off topic But man I just had to.....

Just to clear the air... I didn't mean to say YOU have driven drunk... I was just using your analogy (with my thoughts of how that analogy should have been written).

Thank you Cueball for the clarification

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