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JimHarrington
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:54 am |
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: i can't speak for Joe, but from the one case (the only case i know anybody in) and the only two people in that case i know personally, both were wrong, and mistakes easily avoided if any investigation had ever been done. how could an investigator say that one has 2 systems when one only exists? they never saw a second.....ever. how could an investigator say one moves and does shows at other bars when the system has never left and he only works at his wifes bar? they never saw him running it elsewhere.....ever. so in this case i agree with Joe, unless someone can explain to me how an investigator could have seen these things happening when they did not. HarringtonLaw has avoided these questions from me, so if someone else can see a way, i will retract my statement and apologize to all involved. I am not intentionally avoiding your questions. I don't know the specifics of the defendants you're referring to, but I'd be happy to look into them. As you might imagine, I deal with a lot of defendants. Please send the names to me by PM (so I can be sure to see them; you might also post them on here, too) and I'll do my best to find out what happened and answer your questions. If there has been a settlement in either instance, I cannot guarantee that I can talk about it, but I'll let you know that and see if I can answer more generally. As a more general matter, we might list in a complaint that a KJ has 2 systems if that KJ has made public statements (website, for example) that indicate two simultaneous shows, even if we haven't been to both shows. I think you'll agree with me that you can't run two simultaneous shows without having two systems. On the other scenario, I won't speculate because there are a lot of different reasons--including investigator error--that might explain it.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:40 am |
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HarringtonLaw wrote: Paradigm Karaoke wrote: i can't speak for Joe, but from the one case (the only case i know anybody in) and the only two people in that case i know personally, both were wrong, and mistakes easily avoided if any investigation had ever been done. how could an investigator say that one has 2 systems when one only exists? they never saw a second.....ever. how could an investigator say one moves and does shows at other bars when the system has never left and he only works at his wifes bar? they never saw him running it elsewhere.....ever. so in this case i agree with Joe, unless someone can explain to me how an investigator could have seen these things happening when they did not. HarringtonLaw has avoided these questions from me, so if someone else can see a way, i will retract my statement and apologize to all involved. I am not intentionally avoiding your questions. 1) I don't know the specifics of the defendants you're referring to, but I'd be happy to look into them. As you might imagine, I deal with a lot of defendants. Please send the names to me by PM (so I can be sure to see them; you might also post them on here, too) and I'll do my best to find out what happened and answer your questions. If there has been a settlement in either instance, I cannot guarantee that I can talk about it, but I'll let you know that and see if I can answer more generally. 2) As a more general matter, we might list in a complaint that a KJ has 2 systems if that KJ has made public statements (website, for example) that indicate two simultaneous shows, even if we haven't been to both shows. I think you'll agree with me that you can't run two simultaneous shows without having two systems. On the other scenario, I won't speculate because there are a lot of different reasons--including investigator error--that might explain it. 1) I see this as a stall/non-answer. All that is required here is to state a general scenario where it could be possible to have a house installed system be deemed as moveable by an investigator- the fact that in this case the system in question is installed in a bar owned by the KJ's wife can be put aside for the generalization. 2) While your general answer makes perfect sense, how would this apply to a single system owner? Why would such a KJ advertise a second show on the same night? I believe a more comprehensive answer is requred to make any sense of "investigators" statements for either case.
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:52 am |
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for what it is worth, and to keep you updated, Michael Michael's case has been dismissed.
neither of us were able to figure out how they got labled as multi-riggers. they have never had 2 shows on one night, nor have they ever advertised 2 shows on one night. no mistake that way could have been made. something as simple stupid as 2 shows on one night would have been cleared up with a quick search on google. someone signed under penalty of perjury that he has 2 shows on the same night.....and nothing will happen to him. if there are no penalties, what is the motivation to be honest?
as for Red Onion, this just boggles my mind just as much.
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JimHarrington
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:31 am |
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: for what it is worth, and to keep you updated, Michael Michael's case has been dismissed.
neither of us were able to figure out how they got labled as multi-riggers. they have never had 2 shows on one night, nor have they ever advertised 2 shows on one night. no mistake that way could have been made. something as simple stupid as 2 shows on one night would have been cleared up with a quick search on google. someone signed under penalty of perjury that he has 2 shows on the same night.....and nothing will happen to him. if there are no penalties, what is the motivation to be honest?
as for Red Onion, this just boggles my mind just as much. Since I am not familiar with either of those defendants, they must be from a case I'm not handling. (Sorry if that's a "non-answer," Joe.) My understanding is that most of the investigations outside my cases have been directed by APS & Associates, which, by the way, is a licensed PI firm. But I will ask--how do you know they've never advertised two shows on one night?
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Paradigm Karaoke
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:00 pm |
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i have known them for many years now, sang with them at their shows. and other friends shows, they have helped me over the years get rolling by showing me how they do things. i'm on their mailing list, had their myspace, and now facebook for all their advertising, which never had more than the shows they are actually doing, and on top of that.....THEY ONLY HAVE AND EVER HAD ONE RIG, 2 SHOWS AT THE SAME TIME IS IMPOSSIBLE.
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:11 pm |
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Not to make the claim that this was the case or possibility in the mentioned scenerio. The company I worked with originally had only 1 system, but would book multiple nights & contract with other companies to run those extra shows. But this was back when a show would pay $up to $350 per night & he'd just take half and contract the company for the other half (they didn't know the club was paying more) - but it would be under the stipulation they were working as the hiring company for any reference purposes.
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c. staley
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:02 pm |
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Paradigm Karaoke wrote: for what it is worth, and to keep you updated, Michael Michael's case has been dismissed. Paradigm, can you please clarify something for me?\ You claim that Michael runs on a computer and that he was sued and dismissed, was there every any audit that you are aware of - or was it simply appearing to be too hot to continue handling because of these errors?
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:00 pm |
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[quote="HarringtonLaw"
1) Since I am not familiar with either of those defendants, they must be from a case I'm not handling. (Sorry if that's a "non-answer," Joe.)
2) My understanding is that most of the investigations outside my cases have been directed by APS & Associates, which, by the way, is a licensed PI firm.
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1) It is a non-answer, in a way. Though you cannot be expected to know the details of a case that you are not handling, what I asked for was a general scenario that might explain how this person may have been named at all. ANY possible way would do, other than an incomplete investigation.
2) Apparently, possessing a license to investigate is no certification of either the willingness or ability to do so.
Again, I have yet to see any evidence of an upgrade of SC's "investigative" techniques.
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