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All you want us to do is feed another BEAST called the Government.

Well from what I understand of hosts in this business, there is no real since of us as a bother hood or a guild in the common craft since of the word. Yes I can only speak of what I see, but that is the reason for the forum to discuss ideas and to try and share experiences. I don't think the manus exactly suck, I think that their methods of trying to deal with the piracy that is so rampant, will be too little too late. That they might recover some money, but they will never get back to their dominant position again. I never considered food a luxury, but if I had to make a choice between eating and going out, I think I could make the proper solution. After all you can't live on liquor, unless of course you have some other issues. Some people have been unemployed so long that their payments are running out. They have families and other responsibilities, karaoke is not what I would call a high priority. My daughter thinks karaoke is silly, then of course she is in college what does she know? The point is when I read most of the posts, it is the hosts talking from their personal perspective. Your personal view is the one thing that is totally yours, just because its real to you doesn't mean its real to others.
I know that it is frustrating when you can't convince others to accept your ideas. That is why we have an arena to try out ideas, and see if there is any merit to them. Oh and as far as Sound Choice making any new product, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. If they make any new product, someone will have to do it for them, since they sold their machinery for production. Sort of like Cortez when he invaded Mexico, burning his ships so his men would have to win or die.

All you want us to do is feed another BEAST called the Government.

Sorry they get enough of my money.

There's still a karaoke market out there, a huge one! Yes the pie has gotten smaller but 2 groups will get squeezed out, those that bars can't justify their fees vs the income generated and those that people just don't care to see. Yes I know SOME people will still go to crappyoke but not enough IN GENERAL to keep filling the seats.

So, we need to put forth our best package, get in the right markets/areas and we also need pirates to be eliminated/go legal. I can control the first part, I can do my little part for the 2nd one and snitch on the pirates. If they want to steal while I pay, yes I will turn them in! Not only will I turn them in, I will spread the word about them. Although I haven't seen any lawsuits in my area, some pirates have lost gigs due to their piracy.

So again, it's both, not one or the other.

Don't feed the Troll.

Beginning to wonder who that might be! Broken records are very annoying when they skip and repeat until someone takes the needle off & throws it away!

We can see in Congress what starving the government will do, the first cuts will cost over 300,000 jobs to the economy, which already has an unemployment rate of 9.2%, really closer to 20%. Not to mention not funding FAA, has laid off 4,000 full time employees, and stopped projects improving our airports, laying off ten's of thousands of construction workers on contracts. I would rather pay one beast than to have a pack of beasts, the manu's all collecting and auditing year round. It is going to happen one way or another, it would seem paying one license fee will be cheaper and less time consuming. Just a thought Lone Wolf.

Beginning to wonder who that might be! Broken records are very annoying when they skip and repeat until someone takes the needle off & throws it away!

Sorry Lonman I did not mean to be tedious, it just seems to me that the cheerleaders in a way are always beating the same drum.

it's not gestapo.....they have been trying to find who has been stealing their $h!t for years and doing it on publicly available forums. big difference

You are right there is ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If the pirate will get their retail deal without having to be threatened they can get the whole GEM series for less than 3800.00, ripman how much did you pay? Turn them in all you like, all you will be doing is lining Sound Choices pockets. The pirates will still be in competition with you, at a lower cost and they can still under cut your price.
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I cut this down as I'm done addressing the other same old tired points you have been unsuccessfully trying to make. So piratescan get the gem for less than 3800? Thought it was more. Whatever, it's STILL possibly 10 times more than they paid before. I'm guessing many of the pirates can't afford that. How they gonna pay for that? How are they gonna get their investment back at $50 per show and pay taxes (assuming they may or may not)and do upkeep on equipment? If they want to stay in biz now they have to raise their prices which was their selling point to begin with. Now they have to play by the same set of rules, now I can get my foot in the door just as easily as them and once in, I shine. And I can do this without giving an owner a ridiculously low price to try me out. So if you want to call me a cheerleader, go ahead. You won't find the same thing on me below that you would a typical cheerleader! I'm not afraid to bash SC when I feel they deserve it.

and right now they are selling the pirates the 4800 song collection, not the 6000 song collection so your prices are already off. and if you paid attention to the posts, in the settlement they are to pay twice the normal rate of $3780.00 or over $7500 dollars. i can buy the 6000 song set for $4500.00. where do you see that they are getting a deal over retail? check your numbers before you open your mouth

To the best of my knowlege, part of the conditions for settlement with either soundchoice or chartbuster is that they remove ALL the tracks that they didn't pay for.

So altho they can't get them for use of a specific track that is beyond their control, they CAN go after them for breach of contract.

It would be in the pirates best interest to stop using other tracks they didn't pay for if they had gone thru the process of settling.

After Sound Choice or Chartbuster get their cut are they going to follow up and make sure these new customers have complied, oh that's right they will also be paying for yearly checkups to these manus. Is that the way you make sure they continue to comply, and keep a 1:1 ratio?

This is the quote from Harrington Legal as far as the price structure, if suit filed you can purchase 4800 track set for 7500.00 or 1.56 per track. If you buy retail then you are paying 3780.00 or 79 cents per track.

.....or going through the court procedure.