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Rat whom out? JD? For linking to a YouTube track that was placed there by Digitrax? No, I don't think so.

Rat whom out? JD? For linking to a YouTube track that was placed there by Digitrax? No, I don't think so.

Just s few short years ago, any karaoke track on YouTube would cause an uproar.... as if it were on Napster or limewire.

Now, vendors are placing them there themselves. And nobody gives a squat. There are entire channels of videos from all the brands

Just s few short years ago, any karaoke track on YouTube would cause an uproar.... as if it were on Napster or limewire.

Now, vendors are placing them there themselves. And nobody gives a squat. There are entire channels of videos from all the brands. Including one channel of 53 videos where the trademark has been stripped out and replaced.

Can you blame him? For years, people have been steeling from him which in turn has hurt his business. I'm sure Mr. Slep would much rather be producing and selling (the key word is "selling") karaoke music as in the past than having to go after criminals.

You may not like SC's methods but ask yourself...

How would you feel if everyone was stealing your products and profiting by them while you never received a single penny for them.

Think about it, over 90% of KJ's are making money using SC tracks while SC doesn't receive anything. It sure changes your perspective about people and business.

So what should SC do? After all, they've been seriously damaged by piracy. Yes, retaliate and try to recoup what was wrongfully taken away from them. Unfortunately, a good guy or two might get hurt in the process but if they truly are doing everything legally, they have nothing to worry about.

Piracy has killed SC and is killing the industry. We are a part of the industry.

I understand SC's position. If it was my company and everyone was stealing from me, literally forcing me out of business, I'd retaliate too.

Your option for using SC tracks is use the discs or get permission to shift. It can't get any easier than that.

Before condemning SC, put yourself in their shoes.

So, then how can manufacturers have an issue with piracy when they are contributing to it big time. Do you think that someone is going to buy/subscribe to DigiTrax when they can get those same tracks on YouTube, posted by DigiTrax, for free???

I give up.

We routinely send takedown requests and complaints to YouTube where it is possible to do so, as I have now done on the particular track you embedded. We'll examine this particular user's account and take action on those tracks in which we have rights.

No one has yet to complain about SC/PEP selling the audio tracks/entire albums on iTunes for peanuts.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/karao ... d120613066

We've repeatedly asked Apple to remove the references to "Sound Choice" from those tracks. They are audio tracks owned by Stingray and sold by Stingray. They don't carry our trademarks or trade dress at all, except in the listing.

Gee, this youtube user has been there at least a couple YEARS and it took me all of about 10 seconds to find them:
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zonekaraoke.com
292 subscribers • 298,655 views
Joined Feb 4, 2013
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Still waiting for an answer:


I'm amazed that you haven't sued YouTube for the very same "vicarious infringement" that you use on venues..... They're distributing it and with a leading commercial, they're benefiting from it financially too... Explain that one.

Is it just me or do you hear crickets too?

i have seen nothing to back this up

completely understood, i believe this whole heartedly

you have already done some down here. you know my feelings on them, but they are here in AZ.

done enough suits here to know that you have those in AZ

done that too.

if your resources are that limited, why not put them to use against verified pirates reported by certified hosts instead of paying investigators to check Podunk, Iowa and taking chances. why spend those precious resources to sue pirates stealing from other pirates or "techincal infringers" instead of supporting your certified hosts who did what you wanted?
i believe you would get a lot more support (not everyone obviously) if people saw that by signing up for an audit to support SC/PEP got them the support OF SC/PEP in return by allocating resources to support those hosts by suing verified pirates (who would you trust more than your own supporters) that these certified hosts reported to you.
at the moment what is seen is that by signing up and getting an audit to support SC/PEP, then SC/PEP can go investigate and sue someone else we have never heard of in a town we have never heard of and does not affect us in any way.


we have all reported pirate hosts to SC/PEP and to date not a single one of those pirates reported has ever had anything happen to them. ask around, i have said it before and been backed up by anybody here that has reported a pirate. we got certified and SC left us out to swing in the wind alone while hunting everywhere else.

Excuse any ignorance that might be showing in this question/observation, but since Apple is, simply put, a distribution channel for digital product like this, why would anyone think that Apple is responsible for the advertising/logos/trademarks/etc. attached to the advertising of someone else's product listing? I would imagine that the fault lies in the ones who listed the items with Apple...

Because the trademark they are displaying with the product clearly does not belong to Stingray Digital, the sellers of the audio-only product. It is deceptive as to it's origin since it is a product "in commerce" according to the Lanham act. As a matter of fact, upon a cursory glance at the listings, I didn't see any mention at all of "Stingray." Did you?

Although Apple may not know that the trademark belongs elsewhere -- kind of like a venue owner doesn't know anything about a karaoke trademark-- Apple is still being paid for the advertising of the product (like a venue owner makes money off drinks).

Looks like a clear case of vicarious infringement if you ask me.... (but no one did).

Same is true (or even "truer") with YouTube.

financial benefit for who? SC sold the tracks to Stingray years ago. You think Derek is paying Kurt?

It needs to be taken OUT of the mfrs hands and put in the government's hands, and new laws need to be written, laws that allow for disc copying.