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Jim doesn't splitting up the intellectual property of one product, make it more difficult to defend those properties? SC has a hard enough row to hoe with complete ownership and and unbroken line of ownership. How much harder is it going to be to defend CB when the logo is owned by one company, and the physical product is owned by another company? Especially since the product is not even made under the old CB logo, but it's own DTE. Also since PR doesn't have any product to license, there is no remedy such as licensing available. Also in determining damages the dollar amount would have to be equal to the amount invested in CB before it's collapse, after all that is what the investor lost, right?

Somebody had mentioned that lawsuits do not affect them. I disagree. If a company goes into a city and files a bunch of lawsuits including venues. Don't you think the venues will start making sure their Kj's are either certified or own all the disc's played in that establishment. If all the venues required their Kj's to be legal all KJ's would have more work than they could handle. Am I missing something here. Does anyone agree. I think some venues are not even aware whether a kj is legal or not. But after a couple of lawsuits they will wake up fast.

There is another option......

According to some, a bunch of bars in this country are savvy enough to demand that Sound Choice be excluded from karaoke libraries. I have yet to see it, but I am pretty sure every bar in New Jersey falls into the category.

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-Chris

I would not be playing. I paid a lot for my sound choice and proud of it.

Oh I did see it around here too. But from what I am told most (if not all) of those that pulled SC tracks was pretty short lived and have put them back in since they were losing customers because of it. Not sure if they got certification or bought the discs or GEM - or just trying to fly under the radar. I know I gained quite a few customers for a while as singers were looking for SC tracks that they were used to.

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Don't know about the whole state, but a whole lot in the northeastern and midwestern sections. I can add the Daytona area of FL., the Shenendoah Valley in Va., the North Conway region of N.H., and parts of Upstate NY as well.....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

That was the logic I used when I got my audit. however with Phoenix being one of the hardest hit, it has had the opposite effect to what you are describing. it seems logical, but it doesn't actually work.

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those were obviously bad hosts, my second rig with no SC whatsoever has the same nights as the first with quite a bit of SC. if they can not run successful nights without SC, they should not be in this business. it would actually show that all you need to be successful in this business is SC music and the rest is unimportant.

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I know a couple that were decent hosts, I just know many singers around here - good & bad - prefer SC if available and if their favorite host don't offer it, they do seek out others that do.

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I hosted for 19 years and had no requests for SC. Either the patron used their own disc, or asked for DK. That was the only label ever asked for.

Joe, I feel pretty strongly that a KJ who used SC and had good salesmanship could get into any of the bars you claim don't allow SC.

I also believe those same bars probably have a higher likelihood of having a pirate KJ because of excluding SC. Excluding Sound Choice probably increases the number of pirates in the area because they know no one else is going to sue them. The bars are ignorant and if what you say is really true, they are doing more harm by excluding SC than good.

But for the record.....I still don't believe it.

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LR, since you never carried SC, how would you know what your singers preferred? They didn't have a choice.

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That's your area. I get manu requests all the time (and that could be just my area) - not just for SC, but that is a key manu request, I have had Pioneer, DK, Sunfly, Zoom, PHM, THM, etc manu requests as well.

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Red herring. I don't get requests for SC either. Or any brand for that matter. I PLAY SC because I want the best, most accurate renditions. The majority of my patrons don't know one brand name from another. They DO notice the quality however and say things like "You have much better versions that KJ-X", and quite often.

The Lone Ranger - You ran a golden oldies show apparently using DK as your main set which is more than sufficient for that. It doesn't float in an area where 20 somethings want to sing something that isn't 20+ years old.

I have only been hosting for 4 years, but in that time, the only brands anyone has asked for by name are Sound Choice, Chartbuster, Pop Hits Monthly, Pioneer, and recently tracks from SBI and KaraokeVersion. But don't think I get asked on a nightly basis. i am positive that most of my younger singers only know about versions because I tell them to check iCroons.com and they click the links. Otherwise, they just want the songs and leave it to me to find the best versions for them.

I only have one venue that has weekly regulars that are my age and older. They have specific versions of songs they like and they brought in discs and thumb drives. I found 99% of what they want to sing on discs or versions they like through purchased downloads.

They love Sound Choice btw and 3 of them are older than 70.

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I don't get asked on a nightly basis by any means either. It's usually newbies that come in ask for specific brands.

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9 out of 10 singers that request a certain brand always request sound choice. Every once in a while I have a singer request music maestro because he sings elvis. I had 30 singers the other night. (way too many). I believe part of the reason they come to my show is because of the big selection of songs including sound choice. If sound choice starts making new music I will buy every disc they come out with.