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thanks no pats on back for me, I was green zone Mostly fixing firetrucks and other Equipment. I did lose friends while over there. Most you can do is pray for their family. Never seen combat, though we were shot at while trying to rescue a Semi tractor that broke down while doing fuel transfer run That will make you butt cheeks tight real fast. No Joke The guys kicking in doors doing field sweeps and such deserve the TY and praise.

everyone who served deserves praise TheWraith. Having a son-in-law that served 3 tours and thankfully returned home safe and sound I keep a candle lit for all those families that were not so lucky. With out support people such as yourself fixing fire trucks my grandson may not have had his father return from combat.

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Lee McGuffey

(I have one somewhere too...)

Are you sure that they haven't changed their policy since then?

I understand that these kinds of things can happen....

But Athena, how can you claim to be doing nothing wrong? Ripping disc to hard drive without permission is wrong, or it isn't.
Do you have permission from sunfly, zoom, dk, all star, priddis, jvc, supercore, panorama, top tunes, backstage, music maestro, sweet georgia brown, party tyme?
Do you see what I mean?
if prior permission is required before ripping to not be guilty of infringement, and you do not have it, then you are in fact doing something wrong and illegal.
The alternative is you are actually doing nothing wrong meaning permission is not necessary.
It can not be ok to infringe on some manus and not others.

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when permission can be granted it should be requested. In cases where companies have gone out of business and permission can not be requested my hands are tied and I am comfortable in my knowledge I have done everything in my power to do what is right.

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Lee McGuffey

If you have these sorts of standards, then should stop using DK, JVC, PIONEER and every other manufacturer still in business until you have permission to MEDIASHIFT. And that includes Country Hits Monthly, Dr. Music, Radio Starz, Country Starz and a whole slew of others. Yes, they are still "in business" and you should be able to find them easily.

Otherwise it's the same excuse that manufacturer's used to put out music years ago; "we couldn't find them to ask!"

The absence of a "no" does not automatically mean "yes." Ask Sound Choice, they are suing kj's that are 1:1 so you should know better than that.

Your hands are not tied.

You freely admit to owning the discs so -- USE THEM.

Now I'm confused. You were pushing SC's default as a precedent, which it wasn't, yet state the above. Athena, you know I think you rock, but WHICH IS IT?!

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Huh? If it were really a precedent-which it's not- it would only be a blow agaist all media shifters, including yourself! Think of all the ripped music you have in gour shows from orphan brands! You are not o ly legit, but a cheerleader, and you still would lose! No dent on piracy, but a HUGE loss to any legit host if it actually had any juice.
Or do you think that SC's buddies would have a special exemption?

Tbe amount of foot shooting by both KJ,s and mfrs. In this business absolutely stuns me.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

JoeC my friend please re-read the analogy of the person found guilty of drunk driving not being allowed to drive.

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I can show "good faith" . Pioneer,and JVC, are no longer in the karaoke business and I have emails from them stating as much. I also have an email trail trying to track down an answer from DK as well. I can and will return to spinning discs if/when I am told by a judge/court to do so.....see the drunk driver anology

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I can show "good faith" . Pioneer,and JVC, are no longer in the karaoke business and I have emails from them stating as much. I also have an email trail trying to track down an answer from DK as well. I can and will return to spinning discs if/when I am told by a judge/court to do so.....see the drunk driver analogy

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I can show "good faith" . Pioneer,and JVC, are no longer in the karaoke business and I have emails from them stating as much. I also have an email trail trying to track down an answer from DK as well. I can and will return to spinning discs if/when I am told by a judge/court to do so.....see the drunk driver analogy

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I can show "good faith" . Pioneer,and JVC, are no longer in the karaoke business and I have emails from them stating as much. I also have an email trail trying to track down an answer from DK as well. I can and will return to spinning discs if/when I am told by a judge/court to do so.....see the drunk driver analogy

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I can show "good faith" . Pioneer,and JVC, are no longer in the karaoke business and I have emails from them stating as much. I also have an email trail trying to track down an answer from DK as well. I can and will return to spinning discs if/when I am told by a judge/court to do so.....see the drunk driver analogy

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
Unknown
"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I can show "good faith" . Pioneer,and JVC, are no longer in the karaoke business and I have emails from them stating as much. I also have an email trail trying to track down an answer from DK as well. I can and will return to spinning discs if/when I am told by a judge/court to do so.....see the drunk driver analogy

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I find it interesting how you basically state that you are operating with these tracks in what has been determined by Sound Choice's legal counsel to be counterfeit intellectual property AND piracy.

And it appears as though (by your words, not mine) you will not operate differently until you are ordered by a judge or a court to cease and desist.

Seems like a double-standard to me.

call it what you will...I have not been found guilty by default (or admission) to pirating tracks therefore I have no fear of being hauled into court. If/when it happens I will address it at that time. Good try

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Curiouser and Curiouser... SoundChoice says on their home page right now: "Dog ate your discs" "Are you lacking the original Sound Choice CDGs to have 1:1 songs on original discs to the songs on your hard drive system? No worries matey! Sound Choice has a program to keep you from having to walk the plank."
Sounds to me that SC doesn't have a problem with media shifting... I think I saw something similar on CB's site awhile back too. CB sends their disc's with mp3+g tracks in addition to the old cdg tracks so you can drag and drop the mp3+g's directly to your hard drive.. UMmmm is this entrapment? I just can't see them getting all up in arms over media shifting as long as you aren't running multiple shows with only one physical library of disc's. Nit picking over this is kinda stupid when they should spend more time and effort catching the ones that are undercutting the good ones..AND the ones selling hard drives full of pirated stuff!

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SoundChoice Certification coming soon!

Your drunk driving anlogy is slightly flawed. You should have said, "...however, since I have never BEEN CAUGHT driving drunk, I am allowed the privilege to continue driving..."

You are allowed the privilege of using your media shifted versions of Pioneer, DK, JVC, Backstage, Performance Tracks, Music Maestro, Dangerous, etc... if what???? Going by your analogy, what license and insurance did you pay to be allowed the privilege of using all these other brands in a media shifted format?

You may have had an Audit done by SC, but according to Chris (who was just audited by SC), all they looked at was SC discs. They didn't look at his other stuff or say "Boo!" about it.



I understand what you posted about SC now declaring that if they take you to Court, and you can't prove you're 1:1 on your media shifted library (whether it be by you agreeing to a settlement, or it becomes a Default Judgement against you), that you can not use all those other brands in your media-shifted format unless/until you receive some sort of permission from each of the Manufacturers. But, just because SC isn't saying anything to you (as one who passed their Audit), it doesn't change a thing. You never got permission to media-shift all those brands, and it doesn't make it any less illegal. Just like in your analogy (with my correction), you can CHOOSE to continue to drive drunk until you get caught. Then you would have to pay the price. There's always the possibility that one of these "orphaned" brands could rematerialize and decide to do exactly what SC is doing.

I am running with SC and CB stuff only due to the fact that I only have their permission or their choice to give me a legal I'll look the other way piece of paper. I say so on my website. I'll add Stellar mp3+G discs as I go along since they are intended for computer use and I shouldn't have to purchase a Stellar CAP certificate to run those.

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