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Why don't you all make this offer to all hosts so that you can get the industry cleaned up faster, I'm sure Sound Choice would refund your money, yeah right! Sort of putting your money where all your mouths seem to be.

Why not? What are your hourly rates?

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My hourly rates to submit to any type of legal fishing expedition with no cause is far beyond your capabilities to generate.

You are under the mistaken impression that I would subscribe to Joe's "minimum engagement rate" for something like this. That is your mistake, not mine.

I'm sure that this "audit" as you call it, would include first, an "audit" for proof of the manufacturers valid licensing for every track I've purchased from them?

I didn't think so.

There is an idea running around of some KJ philanthropists putting together "Audit Scholarships" & offering them to whom they think would qualify for them.

I have offered to "chip" in as well on this first trial. I believe that c. staley has proven that he would qualify for such a charity.

Now my understanding Mr. Ranger, is that you are disc based so there would be no need for an audit. However, I see qualifications in you as well. So I will propose this. Can I hire you for a private party? How much is your hourly rate? What is a good hotel in your area where we could reserve a "cheerleader" party? Also, will you play discs that I bring to the event?

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Okay, if we can get "proof" for the manu's "valid licensing", will you then agree to an "in person" audit?

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I believe you are once again, incorrect. I'm in no such need for any such "charity" from anyone.

However, if you're in the mood to be so "monetarily helpful," feel free to mail it to Kurt Slep. His newspaper story explained how he's already burned through his retirement and his credit cards, so I expect that he would need (and happily accept) your charitable offer of money far more than I ever would.

The manufacturers (not you) may forward the written licensing granted to the manufacturer(s) from the publisher/copyright owners of the underlying musical works that would include mechanical, synchronization and lyric reprint for review at any time. Once they have been verified, I'll get back to you...

(don't hold your breath)

No, we will have a representative from the manu bring it with them personally on day of audit.

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We are helping Kurt Slep monetarily by paying for the audit.

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Then I'm confused.... what is my incentive again?

Save the hassle and just mail the money to Kurt no-strings-attached. He'll appreciate it I'm sure...

Just so you know, Chip, at this point I wouldn't do it either. I just figured it would be a more "common sense" offer than us paying THEM to invade our privacy, inconvenience us, take our time and energy, et., etc., -which is patently ridiculous....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Exactly. But my point is; What's my incentive to do any of this? To sign away anything?

What the cheerleaders forget is that the manufacturers that would like to sell products, need me a lot more than I need them. I'm not dependent on any single manufacturer.

Plus, what's in it for MtnKaraoke, WallOfSound or even Athena to "chip in" any money for this anyway?

Maybe to shut you up and end your stupid pointless arguments.

Just sayin'.

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First, Your group probably doesn't have enough money to make that happen, but I'm open-mined and willing to let you try.

And it's easy for you to say anything if you've already got hall pass isn't it?
It amazed me how you went from;

"disappointed" because you received a letter of intent to

"terrified" and whining because they hadn't gotten back to you within 10 days then

"relieved" that Kurt had given you a hall pass for no reason to

"demanding" to have your audit (you already had a hall pass anyway) and now you've become

"indignant" that everyone else didn't blindly follow your example and finally,

"self-righteous" thinking that you are somehow better then everyone else.

And now you simply come here about once a week to toss in a few "drive-by insults" and disappear again.

Just another "certified lemming" so desperate for more company that they're now willing to fund the process for others?

Just sayin'

(BTW, Your manufacturer still hands out hall passes.)

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It might be true that I would not need and audit, but the fact that the venue would have to conduct it's own mini audit of my show to make sure I'm legit. The practicality of this approach would be a problem. It would take the venue hours to confirm, what could be established with the audit certificate. This compels all hosts to get the audit done, and get the certification to run their business. Each different manu would want an audit with the fees, etc. etc. etc., and they would want yearly checkups. This is a never ending drain financially and time wise for hosts, not to mention the fees are subject to being raised. You will also be required to carry all of these different certificates around with you, or all of your discs. You tell me a simple licensing approach won't work, and this proposed solution will? As far a working a party for you, and your friends, won't interest me at all I have all the work I can handle now, I might be able to send someone I know who is down on his luck. I'm sure he would be treated with the same respect you would show me.

You and every other cheerleader or host that you have convinced to seek protection under the manus certification process. Also all the pirates who have bought in the the GEM series, and has been sent out to compete with all of you loyalists. I can see how loyalty is rewarded by these grateful manus. I have a better solution just starve the beast and let it die. I would dig a pit but why bother the scavengers will make short work of what's left of the body. The sooner we decide to try and work out some kind of plan that helps all and not just a select few, the better for the industry as a whole.

Great posts Skid & Bazza!

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So I guess The Lone Ranger doesn't want our business...

Quite an interesting business model.

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How much to hire you Joe for a private "cheerleader" party in The Garden State?

Also will you play original manu discs we might bring?

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