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Agreed. It is, has been, and will be until they pry my discs from my cold dead fingers. The fact is- despite all the debates- I can also truthfully say that this work has brought me more joy than any other career I have had, and certainly more than I ever could have dreamed of. I give my sincerest thanks to all the singers that have supported me, all the good and skilled Karaoke Hosts that help keep it popular, and to those who not only stood by me, but mentored me in the craft so many years ago.

Apologies for the sentimental moment. Please return to previously scheduled ick.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe PM sent....kinda thought more people would have picked up on these raw numbers....to me it shows the prevalence of pirated material

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

Joe, SC sold 750, not made 750.

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How did they track the 10,000? If they could document that fact, seems like they have found all the pirates they need to keep them in business with ransom fees.

Timberlea the first run was 750...and they sold them all. The 10,000 systems was documented by people checking mostly song listings available online and some in person checking and watching bit torrent site #'s of download. Remember this was before SC decided to bring lawsuits against anyone. The info was kept for future use and No second runs were ever pressed.

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

You can cite one specific case were a jury trial was held and Sound Choice's case was upheld? I would like to see that!

Lone Ranger...let me get this right you will not accept any ruling without a JURY trial ? Have you checked to see what the percentages are on civil cases.... judge VS Jury.....
Will have to check and see what the judges would say in this federal district court and how many have allowed jury trials....
CIVIL case VS CRIMINAL case

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

This country's far down the road to fascism, but for the time being, the Seventh Amendment is still in effect:

Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.
"In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."

A federal judge would not dare REFUSE a jury trial if it were demanded by one of the parties.

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Actually 750 was the number made and sold...it never made it out of first pressing timberlea...this is per Kurt at the meeting at SC

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"Integrity is choosing your thoughts, words and actions based on your principles and values rather than for your personal gain."
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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

SC requests jury trials in their filings.

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Apparently, they can. CB and Stellar are still in the Karaoke Production business, as well as Pocket and Sybersounds. Not to mention all the overseas companies- or did you assume that piracy is a U.S. only phenomenon? I assume it's because they make money.

It's just SC that both no longer produces, AND ONLY makes money through intimidation.

My guess would be that a company that is well managed could, and does indeed, still make money. It would seem that SC lacked the skills of good managers. They blew it because they weren't good enough to stay in business- like so many KJs.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Excellent Point!

I would add the Athena says they claimed 10,000, but the site that Paradigm quoted on another thread claimed 30,000. Things that make you go hmmmm.

Also, a run of 750 discs couldn't have made any money anyway- why do it? My answer, at a guess: Just to say- at that time- that they were still in the business. A "keeping the hand in" disc. In my opinion, they were out much earlier.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe my numbers were from the time of the meeting. The numbers Rickgood posted were from the (I think the latest) legal filings...now if my numbers were higher that would be something to make people go HUMMMM. Is it really unusual for the numbers to go up as more areas are investigated ? Just sayin

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

I wasn't second guessing YOU, Athena, but rather SC. Yup, the numbers could go up. How long after the meeting that you had did the site post it's numbers? You also said "as more areas are investigated". Do you think they "investigated" 20,000 KJs since that meeting? As long as I'm asking, do YOU think they "investigated" 20,000 KJs at all? 10,000? 5,000? How many KJs do you think they have actually "investigated"? Just YOUR guess?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe between investigations and finding the unique songs listed on systems it is not hard to increase the numbers...a full investigation is not needed for raw #'s...only for filing suit. Even now the majority of hosts have a way to look up their songbooks...disc,website,smart phone app...ect (some recently have started pulling the availability...sorry too late). Do you really think SC has not been collecting and documenting info for years ?

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"if a man has integrity, nothing else matters, If a man has no integrity, nothing else matters."
Lee McGuffey

i'll take this one Athena as it was my post.
what i posted Joe was an excerpt from the July 1st filing SC vs. Lady Luck Steakhouse & Saloon and others in Washington. i thought i also posted the link, but if i missed it (me, make a mistake?....never )
http://thekiaa.org/images/ComplaintLadyLuckFiled.pdf

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

All this collecting and documenting info for years, makes SC sound more like an auditing service, than a manu just interested in collecting money. They also want a complete control of the industry which the cheerleaders are willing to give them. We need a system of checks and balances like we have in this Republic of ours. If the hosts are going to fall prey to the manus. they ought to a least have their constitutional rights protected. kjathena might feel it's funny, but Moonrider is correct there is still the matter of the 7th amendment.

it's not gestapo.....they have been trying to find who has been stealing their $h!t for years and doing it on publicly available forums. big difference

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

All I know is that I have been in the business over 15 years now and I have never so much made out of nothing. If these manus have legal standing then let the jury trail proceed and get a verdict in their favor. There is another option let's go to some type of licensing of the host, so we won't be subjected to the caprice of the manus. As much as some hosts don't like the idea of simply having one license I don't see any other solution to a problem that is so far out of control. Don't feed the beast.

All you want us to do is feed another BEAST called the Government.

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