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You speculated. But I won't pressure you for anything else because we already know the answer.

Um...



Words mean things.

I also point out that BMI and ASCAP are not "official organizations," either.



Or not. Underwriters Laboratories: Private company. Good Housekeeping: Private company. J.D. Power & Associates: Private company. All of these companies perform certifications. They aren't professional organizations or public agencies.

Of course, you miss the point, which is that venues can require their hosts to register if the venues want to. If your venues said, "Register or you're fired," you would register, or be fired, and there is nothing you could do about it. And if you sued SC over it, you'd be laughed out of court, because SC hasn't told your venue to fire you. It hasn't even suggested it. It has told your venue that it needs to make sure there's no piracy on its premises, and if it doesn't do so, and there is some, the venue's getting sued. If you don't want to cooperate with that, that's on you, not SC.

I know it bugs you that SC owns its intellectual property and takes steps to protect it. But your feelings about that fact are irrelevant; those feelings don't make SC's activities something they aren't. There has never been the slightest hint from SC that it is a public agency or professional organization or trying to be one, and, once again, for you to suggest otherwise is deeply dishonest. Unfortunately, I've come to expect that from you.

Joe, what's the big deal about driver's licences? You write a cheque and you have to show a DL in the vast majority of cases and the vender writes your DL number on the back of the cheque. What makes SC any different than any other vendor? Do they have access to the government data base at Motor Vehicles? This is just another blowing a small thing out of proportion.

so there was a big meeting this past Thursday night with believe it or not 49 bar /club/restaurant owners and 4 of the major long time karaoke host in the tri state region about safe harbor it lasted about 4 hours
in a nut shell the out come is this
they are not going to support safeharbor
sound choice
here is what is going to take place over the next few weeks
any kj/dj using sound choice/chart busters or the cloud will have a chance to drop these labels if they don't the kj will be replaced
they are only going to hire kjs who do not have these label's in there system this is what has come from sound choice suing the bars in stead of just the kjs the bars have had enough of this crap
I new this was going to happen sooner or later
there are about 29 kjs in this area that have been gearing up for this over the past 3 years we are ready to fulfill the bars wishes way to go sound choice putting your kjs out of game o well life goes on
so the restaurant guys are going to be posting this in the bar forums and spreading the word on what they are doing
you can rag this post all you want I am not responding to any one

it was the safe harbor letter that when out that pissed them off

No, but you are encouraged to inform your venues about the Safe Harbor program.

Mike D describes his area as the tri-state. I don't know his location, but mine (NY/NJ /CT) is described in that manner.



Is there another "tri-state area" description being used elsewhere?

And.... I still would like to hear from Mr. Harrington on this question (which seems to keep getting skipped over)...

Why won't you (SC) list the Venues who register on Safe Harbor? As already pointed out, it could be extremely helpful to not only the KJ (who is looking for work), but also the Venue (who is looking for (what Sound Choice considers to be) a legal KJ).

The big thing is not the "what ", it's the "who ".

SC has no more right to this info than a stranger on the street. Not only that, but once the questionnaire is signed - with all of it's provisions - you have no reasonable right to expect that your private information will not be abused or disseminated. This right is implied when dealing with the businesses mentioned above, but is signed away in the case of SC.

How will you use the information I give you?

We will use the information you provide us to verify that you are operating legally--or, if not, to help you get legal and square with our policies. We may also use that information against you in a lawsuit, if that becomes necessary. With your permission, we may also use your information to notify you about developments in the karaoke industry that you might be interested in, or to tell you about karaoke products you might want to buy. We do not sell or share your information with anyone except your venues.

The way I see it is that Sound Choice are trying DESPERATELY to stay afloat, and losing the ability to. So NOW they are pretty much telling the bars what KJs to hire, and what music they are to use. I don't blame those venues in Mike D's area who decided to drop SC from their karaoke line-up. It IS the best option. That way there can be NO mistake, whatsoever. SC can send all the inspectors they want to send and they will find nothing. And if you think the singers will suffer, you can think again. I barely use my SC discs. I have PLENTY of singers, and good ones at that, and they are happy using SBI, Zoom, DK, Sunfly, Karaoke Version, Priddis, and Karaoke 2 Go, to name a few. If they banned SC around here, I know of a couple of KJs that would suffer, but not very many. For me it would be 38 discs, that I would just put away and use at home for parties. It certainly wouldn't put ME out of business. The biggest pain in the <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span> would be taking those songs out of my books.

As for the Sherman Act, that was having to do with monopolies. Ridding the world of SC would not create a monopoly. It would only make the Karaoke world a much safer place for all!!