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This is why I keep my business limited to what I can handle on my own, and I have a full time job. No plans on changing anything.

@birdofsong - if that is what Chip meant to say, then that is what he should have said.

I am perfectly aware of all of the things you brought up by the way. I have watched this industry for a LONG time. I know the ins and outs. I have a couple of friends that have been in this business since the laserdisc days.

-Chris

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-Chris

This is a perfect example of you twisting what I say to fit your tirade; I've never said you don't "want" to be profitable, I said you "have no incentive" to make it profitable. And even you have stated that you just might change your mind and sell off your extra disc sets "at a hefty profit" is that not correct? If karaoke was your mainstay, you'd be focused on expanding and increasing your income.


I'm not a mind reader.... I can only take what you type here as your truth. Now, if you want to be able to reserve the right to make a statement one day -- then when it comes back to bite you -- simply claim it was "off the cuff" then I'll have to reconsider how much credence I should give your statements in the first place. Wouldn't you agree that's only fair?


Not perturbed at all. It's actually good that you have a day job that allows you to make these purchases and ease into it slowly. Heaven knows your life would drastically change if you suddenly had to pay all your living expenses off your karaoke income alone.


Dress up your narrative here with as much flowery flag-waving as you want because when it gets right down to it, you've never answered the original question put to you - "general terms" is not an answer, it's a deflection. It's almost as though you might be a little embarrassed at how much time it will actually take for you to recoup your current investment. So I'll ask you again point blank and see if you have the cajones to provide an answer; Based on your investment to date, at the current rate of pay, how long will it take to recoup your investment in your karaoke business?

I don't want to know how many dollars you've invested or even how much you make, I'm asking for a time frame -- is this too difficult for you to answer?


Again, I never said that and you're simply repeating your action of sticking words in my mouth. (and "someday" I want to be a lottery winner too - I'm investing in the tickets now -- right.)


More drivel. Why are you so focused on something that YOU said, not me? It must be your unending desire to paint me as some evil villain out to do nothing but argue with any moving object so you're now inventing the arguments?


Not at all, I'm implying that you have no idea of the pitfalls that are before you. They are not as visible as you might think. War stories from KJ's with more experience are certainly lessons to be learned from the easy way, but they don't apply to your situation. And even though you believe you "know the ropes" when it comes to this business, it'll take a few years of experience in the water before you can swim and not just the theory of swimming as told to you by others.


I am only responsible for what I SAY and not what YOU understand. I don't believe I've ever alluded to that at all so please don't paint yourself as though you are now some kind of victim here, you're not.


You don't owe me anything, you got that right. BTW, the truck story that you got from WallOfSound or Thunder or InsaneKJ shows your willingness to jump on any convenient bandwagon or dogpile into something that really is none of your business - how "cheerleader" of you. And the truck wouldn't hold 7 systems, the most it would hold (packed tightly) was five. Any questions you'd like to ask me directly instead of the "gossip mill?"



Good for you..... knock 'em dead and I wish you all the best in your endeavor.

I will never be a multi-rigger. There is only one of "me", and that's what I market and what you get when you hire "me". Not some flunky kid trying to be me. When you pay to see a certain comic or musician, you expect them. Not someone who works for them and knows all the lines so they can be two places at once. It's a difference in strategy. Some people market their company as a service. Hire "ABC Karaoke" and you get who you get as a host. I market ME and I am what makes me light years different from ABC Karaoke.

I also am quite happy doing 2-3 shows as week as a second income. Could I make a go of it full time? Sure, if I had to. Thankfully I don't have to and thus it is still fun (instead of a job) every show.

In the Human Resources realm of things, why would somebody hire people like this in the first place? On the other hand though, employees in many businesses can be flaky and require supervision. Do you hire people you meet in the bar at your shows or do you advertise and interview along with recruitment efforts?

We never hired people we meet in a bar.... always by advertising, interview and audition.

Well then perhaps you need to hone up on your hiring skills or at the very least, invest in some sort of supervision practices.

Easy to say in theory, unprofitable and difficult to put into practice. (Especially unprofitable)

Well then, maybe you should get out of the business since you may not have the skills to control your staff, or unable to afford to hire someone who does have those skills.

Apparently not having this management structure has caused you to lose profit or forces you to be overworked.

You make it sound like it was an everyday affair. Remember that I ran multiple systems approximately 15 years – every single day was not a catastrophe. And keep in mind that the staff were independent contractors – not company employees.

I had a number of people that I can proudly say I kept employed during that time. It's very easy to sit back and make a judgment call on someone that runs multiple systems – I imagine there's even a certain amount of jealousy in that – just keep in mind that it's not all profit, it comes at a cost.

Chip -

To repeat - you saying I have no incentive to be profitable is contrary to my statements. You are effectively saying i don't want to be profitable. You are simply calling out the same wordplay that you empoy.

You aren't a mind reader - You don't seem to be a forum reader. You just take the words other people write, twist them up, and then turn them around on people. It really is an amazingly ugly thing to watch.

Re-couping my investment - I no more have to answer your question than you have to answer my question about your Chartbuster Digital media. Stalemate.



I do not think you are evil.....not yet anyway. I do believe you live for an argument though. That can be evidenced in the manner with which you dissect posts.

The Pitfalls Ahead - I am not omniscient. I do not believe things will go perfectly, and I do believe there will be unforseen circumstances that catch me off guard. I am also confident that I can make it work. Try giving me the benefit of the doubt instead of trying to deter me.

Does the truck hold 5 or 7? - I did not get my information from anyone else regarding this matter. While you may not want it to be anyone else's business, public records are exactly that.

-Chris

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-Chris

Some of the best hosts i've hired in the past were right from the bar. 2 people that I hired through ads in the past were the ones that tried to screw me over.

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Wait--are you saying that sometimes, despite your best efforts to supervise and control the people who work for you, they sometimes screw things up for you?

Unpossible.

You sound exactly like someone with no kids who is an expert on parenting. So how many systems did YOU run at one time, who did YOU hire and how did you do things differently so these things never happened to YOU?

Or are you just an armchair expert who doesn't have any experience whatsoever at running a multiple system business?

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Birdofsong

My professional background is in recruiting.

I am not a KJ but looking into possibly getting into it.

Yeah, they are diverse in the investigators they employ, too. I have had hotties, older farmer-looking guys, suits, you name it. I guess I should be glad that they are so diligent, but it's kind of a pain. I'm 100% legal, but it gets ridiculous.

I think the blind ones are a hoot....