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And just wait until a Pepsi rep sees coke product in their refrigerators or vice versa. IIRC there are penalties involved if this happens.

As for TM, a public school here had a mural on an outside wall that had various cartoon characters on it, including some Disney. This had been up for years and retouched when needed. It was not used to make money or anything commercial. Well one day they received a letter from Disney to remove their characters as they did not have permission from Disney to display them.

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I just got off the phone with All Star. If you have their "disc", the same rules as other companies as far as using them at venues. I would say get the disc sent to you and your legal, I would question downloading it straight to your computer. I always like the disc in my grubby litte hands anyway...You guys had me worried there for a while I got four of their $20 cards for Christmas...

know I'm bumping a old thread but does anyone have URL to the target questions and answers that list ok for KJ use ? want to bite the bullet but noet without something in my grimey little hands......Screenshot would work too
Thanks in advance

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All Star themselves said it was ok.
http://www.karaokeorders.com/faq.cfm?ID=26

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Good points, but let's expound on them a little. If someone gets food poisoning from product direct from the factory, that canner/bottler may be held responsible, but in all liklihood the Coca Cola corporation itself would not be liable past a certain point.

If the same happened with fountain Coke mixed by the folks at the shop and not under the auspices of Coca Cola's quality control, virtually ALL liability lands on the soda shop's shoulders unless it can be proven that the toxic agent was in the syrup itself, rther than the containers, hoses, and pipes of the shop ( which has a higher probability of low maintainance than Coke's syrup). Also, Coke takes no responsibility for the flavor, as the recipe ( in this case the seltzer to syrup ratio) and the media ( pipes and hoses) are those of the shop, and are not quality controlled by the Coca Cola Corporation.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

....And SC says doing things their way is OK.

....And CB says doing things their way is OK

....And Stellar says doing things their way is OK

... And Pocket Songs says doing things their way is OK

... And Music Maestro said doing things their wys was OK

... And SGB said doing things their way was OK

You don't ask the used car dealer if his deal is the best, and take his word for it, do you?

All that aside, I'm kind of surprised at the SC dependant folks. All Star? I have ONE of their discs ( ASK-1008). Never bought another, never will.

Is it because they have a download site? The convenience?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Thank you Joe.

Not really because of the downloads...will be buying on disc to have the plastic in my hands but they have songs that my singers are wanting yesterday. We placed a CB order as well and when you look at the cost what can I say? Thanks again for the link
(also got some of the gift cards for the holidays here we come Red Solo Cup)

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Not going there, horse has been beat enough!


I have never bought from them, just ordered a custom disc of a few songs that are not out on other manus - so I get what is available at the time I need it. Listened to the samples, sounded tolerable, as good as PHM, not as bad as SGB from the samples I heard. Wouldn't put them in the upper scale quality range SC/CB, but wouldn't classify them as Music Maestro or Sweet Georgia Brown - again just from the samples I heard.
Downloads are not the issue for me, I want a physical disc so I will wait for my custom.

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they are pretty quick about 5 business days for us...Sounds about middle of the road... defiantly a step above backstage, Nutech or north star but not quite as good as SC/CB/PHM. Have some songs nobody else has and at that price what can you say. Hope you like them Lonman

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I think alot depends on the Genre. I think ASK has better Rock than CB as a whole. Since I pulled all my SC, PHM, and others I've been looking to plug holes in my book until I can afford the Gem. Hell, I even bought a 450 song SGB Rock pack ($29.00) to hold me over for a couple months. They sound all right, they suck with lyric display and timing though...So I've been listening and comparing for months, and I'll give All Star a place in my books to stay. SGB there gone the day my SC arrives...The good thing is Spanish, Country and Pop are 90% of our requests. FYI we have lost some customers due to pulling SC... About to piss some people off tonight, were refusing burnt CD's from now on. More SC singers down the road. Don't care I know there bootleg, they told me. These same people are telling me I'm wasting my money buying legit CD's... I feel like Noah building the Ark...

I can believe it.


If it's really a concern see if you can write those songs down that they have & get them on a SC custom so you have the actual song they want. A little more $$, but worth it instead of buying a full disc that I already have most or don't need any other song. I have several SC customs now.

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But do you have any Top Tunes?

I only have one Top Tunes disc that was 'acceptable', not great but was the only version for those songs, so in that case I don't look for quality, I look for what's available - UNTIL something better comes out - as I believe most would do as well - at least if the song is done regularaly enough and people complain about the quality of it that would warrant trying to find a better version if one should become available.

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Though I do rate them a bit lower than you do, Lon, that really wasn't my point. The SC folks have spent a lot of time berating virtually all other brands except CB and MAYBE Stellar ( tolerable but very generic to me).

Since the quality of the ASK discs is below these three by some margin, I'm asking why THEY would even consider using them. Better quality mfrs. that they have berated carry the songs that SC doesn't. Therefore I was wondering if it was the convenience of the download site.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Yes, quite a few, and most are extremely high quality tracks ( at the very least, WAY better than Stellar's PHM)- and no, I didn't hear or see any tracks on the ASK that could be mistaken for Top Tunes ( if that's why you were asking about TT), though you will find TT tracks on the Karaoke Bay label.

BTW- If you want a couple of really good holiday discs, try Top Tunes TU-66 for Christmas, and TU-104 for St. Patrick's Day.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Again, it's not always a matter of the best quality - if people want specific songs that are only available on an inferior product, then that product is the best at that time until something hopefully comes out that will replace it. So if it's the only version available, then that is the best version! Yes I try to get the best version available, but since SC doesn't produce new music, CB hasn't had anything new since Oct and PHM didn't produce the songs in question (yet) then wherever the song is available is the next step.
I even have some Backstage, Music Maestro & SGB - most of the songs I did get better versions, but there are a few that are exclusive or do not get sang enough to warrant a replacement.

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SBI either made the music or acquired all the Top Tunes music tracks.

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Joe, the reason I asked if you had any TT, is because you said you bought one All Star and you had no intention on buying another one, well you already have some in your collection because All Star uses the TT backing I have a couple TT disk & ASK and the tracks are identical, only the graphic changed. TT had it's own sound so I'm surprised you haven't noticed it on ASK As for Karaoke Bay, they used from many manus but the ones I bought, (only 6) are all Pocket Songs backing.

We do have a kind of rating system we use for songs but all manus do have some rising stars and real clinkers. The only brand I have ever said I will not buy again is SunFly but after hearing some of the newer stuff and seeing songs that they have exclusive I may have to reconsider. We often only list what we feel to be the best version on our books but can look up other versions if a customer has a preference (we could not do a single volume artist or song book otherwise)
I am a SC/CB?Stellar Cheerleader but we do own most every brand that has been made except maybe pocket songs I dont think we have any of those not that we have a problem with them...and unlike some I personally Like MM even with the pan flute....
I believe in supporting US businesses and would be very happy to see CB return to thriving...Stellar increase business and SC return to producing new music and making money SOON.
I want to see Karaoke as an industry survive and thrive and feel that fighting piracy is the only way this will be possible. Some may not feel that the methods being used are not what they would like...that I do understand and to them I say find your own way to fight to save your industry, as some here already do that are against the methods they do not like. Nobody says you have to stand behind any established effort you do not believe in ....but do something you can and fight the piracy issues locally yourself or in local groups

***off my soapbox now***

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Lon, I want to clarify something. Though I know that you like SC tracks over most others, I never thought of you as one of the "SC Dependants". I am aware of your skills and experience, and know that you are neither library nor PC dependent.

My statement/question was directed at those who feel that their shows would suffer greatly or fail if they didn't use the SC brand.

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