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Not if you're using discs or show your discs. Yes, you may be named but once you are checked 1:1 then it will me dropped.

When you shift the disc, then you are not using THEIR product. Their product is on their manufactured CD+G disc.

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You're full of it Timberlea and you know it.

You KNOW full well that if there is a computer IN THE ROOM you will be sued. And you don't think if I played my SC discs on a player sitting next to my computer that I'd be sued and the club would be sued? Guess again.

Perhaps you or your customer being "named" -- call it what it is: "SUED" not just "named" -- is perfectly acceptable with you. It's not with many others.

I love the way you sugarcoat "sued" by using the word "named" because it makes it sound like a clerical error. And you still don't get it about privacy, evidence and the whole "disc checked" bull***t do you? And you say you were a military cop? Really? Where? Russia?

Please point me to ANYTHING that proves that SC even BOTHERED to ask to "check discs" from a single one of these NOW SUED defendants.

Then why not just use the discs without a computer?

Then there should be no fear of being sued.

Why should someone who paid for their discs have to fear being sued for using a computer to play them in the first place?

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Did you somehow miss this part:

Timberlea, how many people have been named/sued in your neck of the woods? Do you have any first hand knowledge of the workings of this process other than what you have carefully and slantedly gleaned from this form? You preach like you would have voted for Obama, had you lived in the US. Freedom is something we "True Americans" embrace and cherish. Where "land of the brave and home of the free" rings loud. To allow anyone to invade your life with little or no proof that you have done something wrong, and their ONLY basis is the use of a computer and more than 8??? songs, IS VERY WRONG. A fair approach would be to ask first "Do you own all these songs legally? and then "Show me the CDG's of the songs we observed being played". If you can show the CDG's for those potentionally offensive trademark infringers, then that should be it! If they want to go further they need to reinvestigate and see if they can get more solid evidence to go foreward with. To get sued is a stigma that does not go away.

Lawsuits are a stigma? Lawsuits are a part of doing business, especially in the good ole US of A, where it seems a sport. The US isknown as a ligtigious society for a reason. Have lawsuits given McDonald's, Wal-Mart, every car manufacturer, and just about every other big name out there a stigma? Not really, they still making big sales.

As for useless "Vote for me vote for hope" how is that working for you. Nope you can have him.

So you're saying if someone came up and said they're from a manufacturer you'd show the discs? Really. Judging by the statements of many you would tell them to pound sand.

And Chip, there is only one person full of it her and it ain't me. Don't believe me? Ask others who is full of it.

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Really? How many times have you been sued as "a part of doing business?"

I'm not in business to sue -- or be sued for that matter. Just because it's a no-big-deal thing for you doesn't mean the same for me. Or others for that matter.

You were a cop right? I guess the word "evidence" doesn't really mean much to you.

Timberlea, I have no problem showing ANYONE my CDG's (see photo). Since this photo I have added another 700 CDG's to this collection. I have this photo on the cover off all my song books and written on the photo is "Yes we own all of our music". Can you imagine carrying all this into a show every night. Oh I know you do it all the time blah blah blah, but you are a big strong policeman . Thanks for your stance on "hope and change", hopefully we will survive inspite of him.

Ps This not the first time I have displayed my music for all to see. You haved shamed me into nothing. I have nothing to hide, but I have my freedom to protect.

Thats alotta CDG's!

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Thanks Swingkat. I have only been doing shows for about 2 1/4 years now, but I have been collecting CDG's since 1994. I do pretty much an oldies only show, so my need for new music is minimal. I haven't got even 1 song newer than 2007, and when someone wants something newer they bring it in and I play it. Most of my singers are ex-band members, ex-professional back up singers, current entertainers on stage and off, or just great amatuers. When I purchase someones old collection that is exactly what I want.

They're not even dong THAT. They are not going after pirates, because their suits are not based on music/lyric theft. Their hook/suit is "Trademark Infringement". They are attempting to make an income from anyone, while in the process of hosting a public karaoke show, who displays their trademark from a source other than their discs.

It doesn't matter to them whether the host is using tracks ripped from original discs owned by the host or not.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I knew there was something I liked about you!

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" Disc based and loving it..."

This statement is yet another one of those zombies that feed on people's brains.

A person who is sued based upon the use of media-shifted karaoke tracks at a commercial show, but who is otherwise in compliance with SC's media-shifting policy (i.e., 1:1 correspondence, but not having had the notification and audit), can--for no money at all to SC--demonstrate 1:1 correspondence, get released from the suit, and be certified as a legal operator with respect to SC's material.

That is not an "attempt to make an income from anyone...who displays their trademark from a source other than their discs." It is an attempt to differentiate technical infringers from people who did not buy the music they use, and to get the former category out of the suit quickly and for no money.

It DOES matter to us whether the host is using tracks ripped from original discs owned by the host or not.

Aside from that, what on earth is the difference between "trademark infringement" and "piracy," in your mind? I see trademark infringement, particularly where it involves counterfeiting, as a form of piracy. Most people in my profession, who have an understanding of intellectual property and the laws governing it, see it that way, too.

So you're calling Joe a "zombie that feeds on people's brains?" Nice.


So, what you are admitting here is that your cases have NO EVIDENCE that any KJ is NOT "in compliance" UNTIL YOU SUE THEM FIRST. At which time, you use the legal system to go fishing for it? Real nice.


Yeah, right.... sure. So your logic is simply "SUE EVERYONE and make them prove their own innocence - because we have no evidence." is that it? And when you are pressed to present your evidence, it's suddenly "privileged?" (wait! let me get my waders... it's gettin' deep.)


Nothing wrong with this, it's your methods that have always been questionable.


Of course you would see it that way..... you're paid to see it that way. No shocker there. And you might even be correct.

You are familiar with the term "copyright troll" are you not? It was explained here in depth by Stellar Records. How do you see your method as anything different than a "trademark troll?"

The BIG difference however, is that when copyright trolls come knocking, they had real evidence -in the form of cd+g discs and your client had no license. Your method doesn't have anything.

Holey Moley! That looks incredibly like my collection. Right down to the Li-Polymer 9V battery charger by the wall.

so what are you saying? those aren't his disc's?

ok from now on to post a picture of your disc's you have to be in the picture with them for me to believe that their your's....

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Have you ever posted a picture of your discs on line?
If not just how did he get a picture of your discs?

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Just to clear this up for anyone new. We were named in the first lawsuit here in Florida and sent a letter of intent to sue. Because we are incorporated the letter was sent to our registered agent and had a delay reaching us leaving 1 business day to respond and request our audit. We called that Monday (our last day to reply) and we treated with respect and the process was started. We underwent a skype audit within 3 days (and was dropped from the lawsuit and certified) and after much nastiness from people on the forum I had found and posted on at that time we followed up with a in person audit at SC in NC where we were also audited by CB and received our certification from them...a few months later we had a Stellar/Pop Hits audit during the short window when SC and stellar had an agreement of audit reciprocity. We will be under going our Re-certification with Chartbuster within the week. We educate venues and customer on the pitfalls of piracy and all of our venues know they have no worries of any lawsuits. I donate 2 or more hours per week searching and flagging craigslist nationwide as well as auction lists...I mail KIAA info to venues...when you are fighting for what you know is right and you have morals you dont mind spending a little time.....of course there are those here that have said often I am unprofessional....and maybe in some ways I am ....but I am earning the karma I want to have come back to me
Bright Blessings to all

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