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You do it again. I clearly explained that ascribing motives and mischaracterizing positions are what I am calling trolling. It makes people mad because you attack a position they don't hold. Yet you again mischaracterize my statement and say it is a simple disagreement which I cannot handle.

In other words, you are trolling.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
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Well, I don't use SC and my show packs them in. So much so that the one other bar in town with a competing show, who used almost exclusively SC, went out of business recently. They were the ONLY karaoke bar in town (and a very large surrounding area) for well over 12 YEARS.
I got in the game with my non SC library and less than 3 years later, they were done. Oh and just to be clear, both that show and my own attracted the younger singers, as well as the older ones. I have a good variety of old and new, so that everyone can find something to sing. The key is knowing what new stuff to buy so you aren't throwing your money away.
As for SC attracting the 20-30 somethings, you're way off the mark on that one. SC hasn't produced anything relevant that the younger crowd wants to sing in a long time.
Sunfly, THM, Quick Hits, etc are the ones that I go to to get the newer stuff.

What a woman.
With people like this Karaoke will survive.

[quote="Chip".]
The crowds are you describe need to go to England, where a majority of the patrons sit silently focused on the karaoke singer while they put on the best show they can. [/quote]

What a man.
With his insight I might have the edge over all England.

Thank you guys. My savior's.

My thanks go to BOS for creating this launch pad.

Lastly my thanks go to...
" Disc based and loving it..."
Without your insight I would have never learned how to hate.

With you guys with me, how can I fail.
Each of you have my support for ever.
Way to go guy's

Let's make this clear. I didn't set out to put them out of business. I just set out to have some fun, do a good job, and earn some money at the same time. Apparently, the people liked my show better and they voted with their feet. I didn't bad mouth them or even "go after" their clientele. I just did what I do.
What should I have done, put on a crappier show in hopes of the other bar staying in business?
The fact that they couldn't make it is not my problem.

Been lurking here a while & find this subject interesting regarding not using Sound Choice & still having successful shows. I sing songs from many different karaoke sources like DK & Amerising as well as Sound Choice. I have noticed in my area that the most popular karaoke spots have to do with promotions like ladies drink specials etc. If there are girls at the show it seems the place is packed even if there are small song selections. Drink specials, raffles & the like seem to bring people in who like doing karaoke. The host could be the best host in town but if the venue isn't luring in patrons with other novelties, I don't see the host or the music collection as being paramount in the venues success on karaoke night.

And you need to apologize???
Why???
I think you are a star.

Thank you. Sorry, but I thought you were being sarcastic. My apologies.

1) First, though I later confirmed that this person WAS a "pre-screener" for SC, once again, you said I called SC people a twit. While he was an SC person, I called him a twit because of his inability to do a job, and NOT BECAUSE OF ANY CONNECTION TO SC.

As for calling a proven AH an AH: I have heard some very descriptive names from almost all here in regard to say, unruly patrons- including AH- with no problem from you. Why now?

2) We differ in opinion and interpretation here. I do NOT combine a person's business ethics with their personal ethics, even if you do.

An example: I know a guy in the meat distribution business. He will overcharge his customers, sell questionable product, and make um.... questionable....claims against his suppliers in hopes of discounts. Lousy business ethics.

He also spends his off time building houses with his own sweat and muscle "Habitats For Humanity", contributing and collecting from his associates for food pantries for the indigent, and organizing distribution and collection of presents during the holidays for underpriveledged kids. Oh yeah- he recently paid for an addition to an animal shelter and sent them a trailer - that's 40,000 POUNDS- of animal feed.

I think his personal ethics are pretty good....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Joe, you may have the last word on this. I expressed my opinion. I just can't handle 20 pages of rehashing the same thing over and over again.

Joe, had to pop in and say that just running a better show does not work well in my little part of the world (you may know your own market inside out) It can come off as very insensitive and sometimes cruel to keep responding with your "canned" response.
untill 3-4 years ago we would agree with you......now due to limited venues and super cheap hosts (tips only to $50 a night) Many bar owners/managers are convinced they can get karaoke for little to nothing......and with all the tiny (under 30 seat) beer and wine places running shows the crowds are very diluted as well.
Many ingredients are needed to get and keep a decent paying job here and I assume that is the same in other parts of the world too.

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Speaking of popping in here and being insensitive...all of you totally hijacked my thread.

Never mind.

Carry on.

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To Bird I offer my apologies. I can only add that I only resonded, not initiated.

To Athena I state that response isn't canned, but merely factual- at least in my neck of the woods. We have had pirates of one sort of another almost since karaoke started here ( which was probably one of the two earliest karaoke sites- California being first) and undercutters/lowballers as well.

So I'm talking DECADES of competition- and no problems. I don't claim to speak for your area, but I will state that I know of no venue that will risk a proven $1500- $2500 moneymaker in hopes of saving $100 yet possibly losing a thousand or two in income.

I would like to add the following directed at Athena: After many conversations, I believe that your own problem isn't "pirates", but "karaoke saturation" brought on by a part of the normal karaoke cycle extended due to both the rotten economy and home based technology.

The standard cycle is: A few really good karaoke shows.
These get crowded, and longer rotations an wait times ensue. A few new shows pop up and work on grabbing the "bleed-off" from these shows.

More- and lower quality- shows start popping up- EVERYWHERE. Karaoke saturation.

What normally happens next is that the lower quality shows start giviing karaoke a bad name, and it's popularity drops. This causes the crappier shows to die out, while the good shows hang in there. Then it normally starts all over again.

HOWEVER: Two new developments. Karaoke can now be done on a PC, which almost everyone already owns. Throw in a couple of powered speakers and a library for a few hundred to start ( or pirated) and you have a cheap start up. Add to that a bad economy second only to the great depression that has been going on since 2008, and- though crappy shows do die, you have money desperate people continually starting up in their place.

The strength of this is regional. Areas with less work (Florida) experience it more than more industral or affluent areas ( like mine).

Therefore YES, there is more competition, but - pirate or not- it's up to each host to find ways to beat it. BETTER marketing. BETTER shows ( Yeah, we're all great, but improvement is always possible). BETTER reputation earned through said shows, not through negative advertizing about others.

Macy's and Gimbels created the concept, and it continues to be the best today. NO NEGATIVE MARKETING. ALWAYS take the high road. If one has something nice to say about the competition, say it. It shows class. If one doesn't, then don't say anything at all. Negative marketing detracts from one's own image.

Always show how you are better, not how someone else is worse.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Returning to the original topic....

All of the recent threads created over there have been deleted. The moderator has permanently banned two of the offending parties and proclaimed them trolls by definition from their own admissions.

Publicly, it is as if nothing happened.
Realistically, they have diminished the status of karaoke hosts even further in the eyes of the readers over there.

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Anyone surprised?
Sure didn't take them long!
Either they were especially deserving of a ban or the mods there don't have as much patience or take near as much crap as here. Not that that's a bad thing....

I would rather see a member join in the conversation, not attack others..

Those that were/are banned were warned many times..

And then signed up as another name..

I guess the mods here are to easy..

Or perhaps the mods here actually have other things to do occasionally..

It was a "double-edged" compliment!
We appreciate you guys!

JD, I heard that about you. .

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Again Joe, you are misinformed.

Rumbolt created the forum, is the Administrator, & as far as i know he has never been banned from Karaoke Scene, OKJT, or any other forum I know of unless you have evidence to the contrary.

The reason for the forum is to have a Vetted KJ's area in which members who qualify to be in the private areas must have verifiable song libraries checked by 2 of the 3 major manufacturers as well as disclose their show locations thus keeping transparency & credibility by not posting falsehoods or misinformation. It is a collective effort to fight karaoke piracy.

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I wonder how you think having such a forum will fight piracy. Kind of reminds me of that episode of Gilligan's Island where they had that private millionaire's club. That is, until it got too boring with only 3 of them and they eventually let everyone else in.....
But whatever floats your boat.

More like the Little Rascals, all getting ready to put on 'the greatest show ever."