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I can see your point about not wanting to jail any KJ's , why would you want to lock up your new customers, they can't pay up if they are in jail! Not to mention they would be locked up a taxpayer's expense. You might have the resources to pursue a trial, that however would not be in the best interests of you client, since I'm sure that they want to keep the legal costs as low as possible. If what you are saying is correct, you only pursue a case where you feel you have overwhelming evidence against the defendant? How many of your cases have been dismissed for lack of evidence? You have never the less accused the defendant and may have hurt his business, because of the accusations. Have you had to pay for damages from injured defendants? I'm glad to see at least you will admit that the demand for karaoke far exceeds the number of legal operators. How can rates rise when the economy might be looking at a double dip recession in the next 6 to 9 months? If any thing the market will become tougher before it gets better. Won't all these lawsuits make venues that wish to stay out of the fray drop karaoke altogether? Some hosts always leave the business, because quite frankly unless you have done the job, you have no idea the amount of work and thought that goes into the process. Pirates by nature are lazy, and a lazy host will never make it in this business. I'm sure there are always new ones that take their places, but the truth of the matter, it is not the easy money and life most people think it is.
The host has to have a wide range of skills to have a good show, and just because you have Sound Choice doesn't give you a huge advantage over another host. There is no school like law school to teach the skills, it is all on the job training, and that is why the quality of the show varies so much. That is why if you have made a good reputation for your operation, you don't have to look for work, the work comes to you.

Joe, I might help with that. I am to understand that the "investigator" that worked the McLeods case, reported what they believed to be a pirated system but in the end the system turned out to be legal. Unless the "investigator" knew the system was legal and lied to generate false charges then, where does perjury fit in? I don't believe the investigator are out making up information so the manus can file deadend suits, do you?Besides, the McLeods case has been closed and in our market is a non-issue all together. Infact, until you memtioned it., I had completly forgotton about it.

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It seems as if we're not all as "gifted" as you, Lone. Believe it or not, venue owners don't come running to all of us with their wallet's out begging for us to grace their establishments.

We have relied on manus like SC to give us a leg up on the competition. Overall, they are known as the gold standard for karaoke regardless of what you all say. It's important to my regulars that I have the BEST karaoke tracks available to them and I will continue to provide it.

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spotlightjr wrote:

It seems as if we're not all as "gifted" as you, Lone. Believe it or not, venue owners don't come running to all of us with their wallet's out begging for us to grace their establishments.

We have relied on manus like SC to give us a leg up on the competition. Overall, they are known as the gold standard for karaoke regardless of what you all say. It's important to my regulars that I have the BEST karaoke tracks available to them and I will continue to provide it.

You are kidding right?... You can't be serious that simply a brand of karaoke song spells the difference between success (a "leg up") and failure for you?

Does this mean that the majority of your talents for this business revolve around buying any particular brand of disc and pressing the "play" button?

"What they believed" obviously didn't include actually witnessing anything or even being there on a karaoke night. Sounds exactly like one of those "competitor tipsters" that Harrington was talking about doesn't it?



If I recall correctly, wasn't it you that blew the "media whistle" on McLeod's and got them on T.V. in the first place?

More mis-information & mis-direction from c. staley.

rumbolt informed the media of the lawsuit that SC filed in Tennessee which had Macleod's listed along with many others.

http://thekiaa.org/images/Slep-tonevJimmys.pdf



Carry on....

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You keep repeating this like a broken record, but when asked what the misinformation/misdirection is that you claim is being presented, you obviously do not... because you cannot. One can then surmise that you are simply blowing smoke... again.




Yes, I believe I said that:


Thanks for the confirmation... That's really helpful.

rumbolt didn't blow the media whistle on Macleod's directly as c. staley implies. That is the mis-direction that is pretty clear to the silent majority anyway!

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Chip, you gettin' a little upset? It would appear that a pretty good number of folks are growing tired of your adolescent banter. You offer little to these posts except to try an incessantly get people to agree with your warped logic.
I never claimed that SC was my personal savior for karaoke. Having regulars and keeping them coming back is my goal. You see, I listen to my customers wants and needs and they determine what particular manus I primarily offer.

I don't let personal agendas dictate and get in the way of a successful show. I don't believe you could say the same.

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Spotlightjr

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Not upset at all actually.... and frankly I'm not trying to get anyone "to agree" with my "warped" logic as you call it...

It's apparent that you're still confused (like many here) over exactly who your "customers" really are. You think it's the singers - I simply assert that it's the entity that pays you for the work you do... the club. I don't believe the club really cares what brands you use if it's your own entertainment and intrapersonal skills that keep the patrons coming back.

You, for some unknown reason, must believe that the only way you can keep patrons coming back in is if you purchase what they tell you to purchase because obviously, you ain't cuttin' it on your own. Kind of like the audience telling the guitarist what brand of guitar to buy hoping it will somehow improve the situation.

Ask yourself if you are in the "entertainment business" (to make money) or the "singing business?" (to sing karaoke with your pals and get paid too.)

Whether or not I've had "successful shows" for the last 15 years is something you'll have to ask Athena, apparently she has "people."

And protecting my clients (the clubs) from unnecessary bull$hit litigation is not a personal agenda - it's a wise business decision that's being proven wiser almost daily.

Perhaps I should have stated:

Even if "indirectly" the end result was still the same wasn't it? rumbolt was "indirectly" responsible for using the media to broadcast an unwarranted lawsuit against an innocent disc-based KJ.

Feel better now?


How would you know, they are "silent" remember? Unless of course you're now asserting that they all talk to you.....

And I'm accused of warped logic?..... seriously?

so you are NOT using CB.......as a wise business decision to protect your clients?

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Your reasoning, not my statement. I will remain just as "transparent" on this issue as CB has been regarding their claim that they purchased SGB and "registered the copyrights"... (but won't say who they bought it from, nor will they prove that they own anything) You seem more concerned with what I do than CB who is now threatening to charge YOU every year just to use their product... on top of purchasing their product....


Dropping any brand that threatens my business and clients (if I have any) would be a wise business decision... wouldn't you agree?

I would advise CB that c. staley avoiding the issue would cast enough suspicion to warrant investigation.

But then again, who says they haven't by now.

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Right.... and then again, I believe I would welcome them into any establishment I'm working in.... (if I actually am)

So, Wall Of Sound, how long have you been a fan of McCarthyism?

Chip,

I'm not a guitarist and obviously not a great singer. I can sing a little but nothing to write home about. I've been told I have a pretty decent "ear" for music but it never got me beyond the garage or basement until I started doing karaoke.
Karaoke is like an old pair of shoes to me. It fits me just right and I'm very comfortable doing it. I enjoy interacting with people and music can bring people together like no other. I really think it does my heart good, too.

My customers are the people who come out and see me every night. They spend the money and they support me by showing up. The venue is nothing more than a facility for us to meet at. If the customers are spending money and having a great time then I've done my job. The venue owner may hand me the money at the end of the night but I know where it came from.

As far as the venues being protected, I've gone out of my way to make my venues lawsuit free. While over a dozen bars around me were being hit with lawsuits I had already notified my owners as to what was transpiring and assured them they were not going to be affected by it. I think that's being proactive instead of reactive.

By simply submitting to an audit none of my venues had to deal with the threat of a lawsuit. They were all very appreciative of the fact that we let them know what was going on. They also know what other bars are involved in lawsuits which proves to them the severity of piracy and what effects is can have on a venue owner.

I think our business models are completely different when it comes to karaoke. I couldn't imagine not carrying the top 2 selling brands of karaoke at my shows. Especially since I've been playing them for years. My customers are also very important to me. They are the lifeline for my success. To think I'm the main attraction at my shows as you do seems pompous and arrogant. I know I play a major role in them coming back but
there's way more to it than that. Having a sign with propaganda as to why you won't play certain discs manus has gotta be a kodak moment. What a great first impression you must make.

As for being confused?? I think my mind is clear and I'm heading in the right direction. My customers know without any hesitation that I'm in it for them.
They know they can count on me to have the selection they're used to and the venue owner is happy with the z-tape at the end of the night. Would love to know how many other manus you will 86 in the near future after they follow suit with the big 2. Happy Trails....

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I did call the media about the lawsuit, since it was the first occasion I was aware of any action to fight piracy by a manu in or near my market. At that time there was a HUGE problem locally with karaoke piracy. I have no regrets about that!!!!!! I however never accused nor pointed the finger at McLeods.
Maybe, just maybe they (the investigators) did witness something that raised enough suspicion to file suit in their eyes. You and I were not there so we don't know now do we?

Are you accusing me of being a "tipster"? (Really don't answer, I already know (and frankly don't care) what you think.

Also, how did the suit work out for All the other locations named in that same suit since you brought it back up. What of the locations in Nashville? I know of the 3 local venues here in Knoxvegas, besides McLeods (closed because of other reasons) 1 of the 3 settled and the other is still in litigation (You have pacer, so you can look it up). So I guess that is my responsibility too? I never knew I yealded such power. From now on I will be know as MR. Rumbolt or maybe Sir Rumbolt or even Your Majasty! Ain't power great

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Probably as long as you have been practicing "Karaoke Genocide"?

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so "Little Timmy didn't have to say, then neither do i"
i pegged you with a bit more maturity than that, apparently i was mistaken.



if that is how you decide to handle this issue in your business, then that is your call. my decision is different, but does not negate the validity of yours for your situation. but since CB is now threatening your business and clients, dropping them would be a wise business decision following your ideals of business wouldn't it?

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