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Absolutely. The manufacturers sat on their butts for how many years while software like Hoster, Sax N' Dotty, Compuhost, Mimic, etc... were being not only developed, but tested and sold specifically to avoid carrying discs.... And now... almost 10 years later, SC is going to sue all these KJ's for purchasing this type of product? SC did nothing to protect their precious trademark and even gave permission to use "copies" in shows while archiving the original. But for some reason, you will turn a blind eye to that as well. The only nonsense here is your absolute willingness to accept whatever they tell you as the gospel truth.

And the "manufacturer's losses" I'm sure should include the MILLIONS of dollars in judgments against them for pirating (yes, pirating) the intellectual property of writers and publishers but for some reason, you're happy to turn a blind eye to whatever illegal they do as long as you get your "new songs" right?


Typical "thunder-like" response. If someone doesn't agree with you, they must be hiding something? Where have you been for all the "stalk-talk?" I'm waiting for Athena to either confirm or deny that I'm actually in this business at all.... oh, wait: you missed all that didn't you? Nice of you to drop in for the "bash."


Mine is clear and no one has the right to monitor my "service" or have access to my accounting records or anything else. This is America and I'm entitled to my right to privacy.
The real pirates are now handing out "certifications" if you place kiss marks on their posterior and pay them as well.... you must be proud.

Ask Athena.... then run back here and tell all of us.

The insane thing is c. staley is that I've seen you time & time again accuse people of not being transparent in who they are on these forums.

You not letting us know where your shows are probably does more to ruin any credibility you may have by exposing the true double standard you possess.

Here are the shows I produce: http://www.psycho-attitude-productions. ... edule.html

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Absolutely. The manufacturers sat on their butts for how many years while software like Hoster, Sax N' Dotty, Compuhost, Mimic, etc... were being not only developed, but tested and sold specifically to avoid carrying discs.... And now... almost 10 years later, SC is going to sue all these KJ's for purchasing this type of product? SC did nothing to protect their precious trademark and even gave permission to use "copies" in shows while archiving the original. But for some reason, you will turn a blind eye to that as well. The only nonsense here is your absolute willingness to accept whatever they tell you as the gospel truth.

And the "manufacturer's losses" I'm sure should include the MILLIONS of dollars in judgments against them for pirating (yes, pirating) the intellectual property of writers and publishers but for some reason, you're happy to turn a blind eye to whatever illegal they do as long as you get your "new songs" right?

- Staley, i'm not debating the legalities of the manufacturers themselves because i don't have enough hard facts to do so. My point is you're so upset about them suing people who STOLE their property. YES, I said stole from them, what happens between them and the publishers is up to the publishers to enforce and they can sue the manufacturers if need be. BUT, we're talking about the lawsuits between manufacturers and the KJ's who stole or allegedly stole their music/property.


Typical "thunder-like" response. If someone doesn't agree with you, they must be hiding something? Where have you been for all the "stalk-talk?" I'm waiting for Athena to either confirm or deny that I'm actually in this business at all.... oh, wait: you missed all that didn't you? Nice of you to drop in for the "bash."

I'm not here for a " Bash " of any kind...........It's been the busy season for me and i finally had a few minutes to stop through. I feel bad whenever i see your posts and see all of the anger and resentment you have built up towards these manufacturers and those who support them. I've seen a lot of out of line comments from both side of this argument but believe me i am not here to and have never participated in anything to be considered bashing. I wish you could move on and let these law suits go. I wasn't accusing you or hiding anything, it's just that if you WERE hiding something i'd understand your point of view from the side of fear, but since i do not believe you have anything to hide i am asking that you step back and realize how much time you've invested into this argument. If you're innocent then that's that, let it go. Contact the publishers and ask them to look into the manufacturers, do not spend all your time desperately trying to discredit them because in the end the manufacturers are well within their rights. You may not agree with how they go about things but they really aren't as bad as you make them out to be.

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Very funny. You of all people shouldn't be having so much trouble or frustration here, you are the one that has already found that I use my real name on these (and other) forums and you are the one that went through the trouble to stalk and repost my run-in with the city zoning board and repost my personal information on internet forums.

Besides, all you (or athena) had to do was ask earlier and I would have provided what ever information you wanted, HOWEVER, since it was Athena that decided to join the "stalk wagon" and promise all here to either "confirm or deny" whether I have a "horse in the race" so I'll leave it to her.... So I'll simply repeat myself: Ask Athena.

I'm really not concerned about losing any credibility... with you.

Sure you are, or you wouldn't have responded!

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It revolves around c. staley for sure.

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- Staley, I am not " swinging " at anyone or " flaming " them. I also did not mention that i have been a moderator of other sites, nor did i act as one here in any way. I am far from a newbie as i have been a member here since 2009 and read articles here well before that. My signature says i'm a proud user of EV products, so i assume you're referring to someone else's signature? I have no attitude to check. This is a forum where people state their opinions and in my case i am always honest.

I have not kissed any manufacturer's " south end " nor have i recommended you do so. I simply recommended you stop wasting your time debating these law suits as they are only increasing in number and success. As I said though if you feel that the manufacturers are the " pirates " as you stated before then you should probably try to get ahold of some publishers and get their take on things. In my opinion your anger and resentment have twisted your take on everything to beyond reasonable comprehension and i was letting you know that i hope you're able to let it go. A company suing for the illegal use of their products is well within their rights and the argument that they waited too long to take action and therefore have no grounds for these lawsuits simply doesn't add up. It may surprise you that i do NOT take what a manufacturer says as " the gospel ". Just because i had my system audited by Soundchoice and Chartbuster doesn't make me some kind of evil person? I would love to know a publishers take on the current state of karaoke and the manufacturers that supply us. So if you do end up with a contact there and have direct information from them i'd love to hear it. My main concern is the anger i see , nothing more.

I am in no way attacking you and despite what you obviously think by your attempted attack above i am not here threatening you with any BS, nor have i ever done so? As you are aware i have been through these suits with Sound Choice and understand the ins and outs of it, you have associated me with a certain " camp " though so you seem to disregard anything i have to say. All i will tell you is they really aren't heartless monsters and KJFlorida and most anyone who has been involved with these suits will tell you the same thing. I didn't sign any kind of agreement with Sound Choice stating i suddenly have to support them, i am free to say whatever i want and i will only speak the truth and what i believe. Choose to believe what you'd like but i support all KJ's and am not the enemy you seem to see me as.

Good luck in your endeavors. I have given my advice and feel free to disregard it and attack me some more. I was only trying to help.

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Careful what you wish for, bro!

I'm a songwriter, and I hold my own publishing for my music. Even though I haven't written a hit song (yet!), I still get royalty checks for music I have created

Almost every KJ out there is buying and using unlicensed music, including most of those that have been certified as "legit."

If you're using Supercore, Sweet Georgia Brown (CB bought the mark - but I've seen no indication of them licensing the music OR going after the people selling these yet), Karaoke Kurrents, or any of the "Hitz" brands, then you're using unlicensed music and supporting pirate manufacturers.

Just about every KJ in the US and Canada is using these brands. They're just as much pirates as the ones buying and using the cloned hard drives.

Every company in the US that makes karaoke has a record of multiple, SERIAL (one after the other), infringements. Unfortunately, at the time there was no law that made multiple infringements a federal felony, so the officers of these companies couldn't be jailed as they deserved. Hopefully, this session of Congress will correct that with "three strikes" legislation proposed by our IP "czar".

"Once is a mistake. Twice could be coincidence. Three times is enemy action." --Ian Fleming

So, from my point of view, pretty much everyone involved with karaoke is likely to be a pirate to some degree.

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I really would love to hear from the publishers, I do not use Sweet Georgia brown etc. Because i know they never received licensing. but, i'd love to know the current publishers take on Karaoke.

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whoops! double post! see below!

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That makes you one in ten thousand then!

I've definitely gotta swing by Plaza Tapatia or Emilio's when I'm not playing. It's a long ride from Midlothian, though . . .

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Definitely Moonrider, come pay us a visit at Emilio's, it's in Short pump just about a mile off of the 288 exit on broad. Just let me know what night you're coming by and i'll have a drink waiting As of this week we are no longer at Plaza Tapatia in Mechanicsville, after over 3 years there , the new owners have decided they are not going to pay Ascap , BMI, etc....The establishment was bought 6 months ago and they do not want to pay ANY extra costs, therefore they cannot have live entertainment and will not be playing any music. It's a shame too because it was a cool setup for Karaoke, there's a video on youtube showing some of the setup there to give you an idea of what it was like.

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Exactly! Yes I have a set of SuperCore, All Hits etc....

Here's a thread I created a few weeks ago, tongue in cheek about karaoke just plain being illegal!

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=21742

As of today, I am only authorized by SC to use a copy their trademark 1:1 on computer. We will see by July 11th if I'm authorized by CB as well.

At least all the venues I play in have ASCAP etc so the songwriters get something since a RadioStarz or Amerising version of their song may be played!

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Oh man . . . I'm sorry to hear that about Plaza Tapatia. Venues that can't even afford the PRO fees are usually out of business within the year. Hope they can turn things around.

You had the paella at Emilio's yet? If not, give it a go!

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Yeah the new owners of Plaza Tapatia are definitely not on the road to success, and it's sad because i spent about 2.5 years there while it was Nacho Mama's and it was one of the best spots in town and now the new owners just don't seem to know what they're doing. As far as Emilio's goes....I've definitely had the Paella, and as an extra incentive the Paella is half off on Monday nights! The food there is the best Spanish food i've ever had, i'd eat there 5 times a week if i could

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Athena, I agree with the business aspects of your posts, and remind all that though our viewpoints and perspectives may differ, I'm pretty sure all of us here are anti-pirate.

BTW- I still carry Chartbuster discs for country, but they have been less in demand as the country genre's popularity has dropped in my area. Though I have been replacing SC discs in my collection, I still carry some.


Two things to add, though:

First- and most important- My gripe is and has been ONLY with Sound Choice's methodology.

To date, I have not heard of any false or erroneous accustations being made by Chartbuster, Stellar, or any other producer, and therefore have no problems with them. My assumption is that Chartbuster's investigative techniques are more thorough. Haven't heard much about any independent action by Stellar at all.

Second, your incident didn't happen in "the old days", but was rather more recent in regard to the entire actions SC timeline.

If you say that SC has improved their methodology in the last few months in YOUR area, I don't doubt your impression, but would still verify.

As for working at my job for 1/10th pay? Nope. I wouldn't have to, because I would have taken measures to PREVENT the pay cut in the first place- just good business sense. It's a lot easier to PREVENT a loss than to try and gain it back.

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I don't doubt it for a minute....

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Lone, I would agree, if recouping losses was the issue- but it never has been, at least not for me- or most others on EITHER side of the debate. It is and always has been only the METHODOLOGY by which Sound Choice has chosen to do so.

This has been made clear several times throughout these toasty debates...

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