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Wow! Wow! (once wasn't enough, it only contained 4 characters!

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I'm assuming the wows were about the Miami DEFAULT mentioned in the other thread. If it is, the KJ did it to themselves simply by not answering the suit. As previously shown, if challenged to a court duel, SC hits the bricks.

Note their default loss to Ernie as an example.

The KJ was an uneducated putz.

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Am I reading this docket text correctly?

"5/31/2011 55 ORDER GRANTING 52 MOTION to Strike 47 MOTION to Dismiss filed by SLEP-TONE ENTERTAINMENT CORPORATION. Motion terminated as to 47 MOTION to Dismiss filed by BERNARD RAVELO. Signed by MAGISTRATE JUDGE GARY R JONES on 5/31/2011. (jws) (Entered: 06/01/2011)"

"MOTION to Dismiss filed by BERNARD RAVELO" sounds like he responded to something.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/trad ... n/summary/

Bernard Ravelo, Officer: Karaoke Miami LLC (Inactive)

http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/ ... 02313.aspx

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So here's my moral dilemna: The actual pirate on which this thread was based was finally sues after 2 years and something like 40 reports.

Since that time, she has been adding venues at a strong rate ( you didn't think the SC suits actually DID anything did you?).

Unfortunately, she will be starting in a new venue in October, which is owned by friends of mine. Since this is post original suit, the grabbers at SC will probably name this venue- which has no idea what's going on with this KJ- in one of their dragnet suits.

I can't let them know, because A) It's against my ethics, and B0 As a karaoke host, they might think I'm out for the gig ( I'm in my third year at my present Saturday venue- the day the pirate was hired- and have no desire to make a change. I just like the owners, who I've known for 12 years as friends).

How to keep them from getting crap from the folks who use strong arm tactics at SC? Anyone?

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Anonymously mail them something. Make sure you include a website with some info so they can see for themselves that it's true, preferably a less biased one than the KIAA.

Nobody deserves the truth more than the people I care about. If these are people you care about, you owe them the truth as you know it to be and as you would desire them to offer it to you.

I don't see anything ethically wrong in watching the backs of your friends and letting them know that's all you are doing in providing useful information.

If I were entering a relationship with someone who had the potential to involve me in a legal clusterf***, I would be appreciative of my friend that would make an effort to enlighten me of the danger so I could make an informed decision.

It will be obvious you're not trying to get the gig if you don't accept the gig.

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I fail to see how letting a friend know that a thief is working at their establishment (and they may get unknowingly sucked into the crime) is somehow ethically or morally wrong.

So tell me Joe, if your friends were about to buy a car that you knew was stolen, would you let them know it was stolen, or would you just let them go ahead and buy it, knowing that they could possibly end up down the road without both the car and their money?

It would seem simple to just let these people know that there is a karaoke manufacturer active in the area and give them a link or copy of the Safe Harbor just to let them know what is happening. You don't even have to say you agree with it--you just want them to be aware. You don't have to accuse the host of being a pirate or even hint that they need to check up on her. Just give the venue owner the info so that they can decide for themselves.

This person's exponential increase in getting work plus the fact that nothing has changed "on the street" would seem to indicate that the venue owners have gone back to being fearless and are not cutting back on karaoke due to SCs activities.

OK, allow me to re-post that which was either never read, or ignored:


I can't let them know, because .......and As a karaoke host, they might think I'm out for the gig ( I'm in my third year at my present Saturday venue- the day the pirate was hired- and have no desire to make a change. I just like the owners, who I've known for 12 years as friends)
To clarify: I like them, and consider them MY friends. However, friendship and trust are not always an immediate two-way street. They may not trust my motives, even if I like THEM. Get it?

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OK... this time I have to say your logic (and maybe morals too) are flawed. We all know how you feel about SC and the methods they have been using to sue KJs and Venues, so let's just move on. This (known) Pirate is being (or has just been) hired to do a Saturday night gig at a place owned by friends of yours. As it's been pointed out, if these people are really your friends, then just bite the bullet (and your pride), and tell them what's going on. Why would you let them have to go through any legal hassles with SC (or any of the other Manufacturers that will be stepping up soon) at all???

You say that one of your reasons for not wanting to tell them anything is because they might think you are trying to get that gig. You've already stated that this gig is being offered on a Saturday night, and is a direct conflict with a gig you are already hosting (and you have even stated you are quite happy there too). Here's a possible solution then....

1. Why don't you check with some of the local KJs who you believe are legit, and ask them if they would be interested in a possible Saturday night gig at your friend's venue? Don't tell them the name of the place, and just give them a generalized location. Then tell them that you are willing to drop their name and number with your friends, but that there is no guarantee they will call.

2. Go to your friends and tell them what's going on. Tell them that you know of a few local KJs that are legit, and are interested/available in doing a show at their establishment. Tell your friends that you have no idea what they charge, and that they can negotiate that between them. By you giving them the names and contacts numbers for other KJs, you are making it clear that you are not interested in working there. If you do this, I don't see how they could possibly think you have an ulterior motive.

I read it. I just don't get the drama. Informing a friend about what SC is doing is not necessarily endorsing what SC is doing. It is just letting them know what is going on. Nor is it implicating the other host as being a pirate. The venue can figure that out for themselves if they care. Nor is it trying to get the job for yourself. It is just talking shop about what is currently happening in the business. So the real question is do you care more about this owner getting into trouble or do you care more about potential, possible flaws that might be seen in your image--which at this point I don't think there would be a problem as you aren't creating this issue, you are just informing that there is one.

'Hey, I see you've added karaoke--I'm hopping over at my Saturday show so hope it does well for you. But boy are you up on everything that has been going on around here lately?' There are plenty of news stories you can point to rather than refer to SC material so that would protect you from people thinking you were passing out pro-SC material to get their job. If the owner does fire the host and come to you then when you tell them that you are booked but you might know of someone else, that will take care of your worry about your image. He will know you were thinking of his welfare and not the job for yourself.Actives
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I agree with most of the sentiment here; Go ahead and tell them.

You already have a gig that night so they'll know you're not out to get that, but I look at it this way:

1. The pirate knows full well what they are doing and they are doing it anyway.

2. The venue doesn't have a clue what's going on and they'll be the ones that will be put between a rock and a hard place - they will be the "victim" here - and right now they are being set up.

Hey just pm one of us with the info and that person could email them with the info. We have no interest in getting a gig there as none of us are in the area.

You don't even have to tell anyone which one of us you pm'ed.

Keeps you out of the loop.

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Regardless, big sum! And it was taken seriously.

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I don't get it Joe, you owe it to them to let them know regardless of other elements.

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Doing the right thing is rarely the easy road to take....

Maybe if I put it another way, completely stripped of detail:

If I tell them, it is almost certain that they will not believe me.

SO: Just PRETEND that my assumption is correct. Without debating me, can ANYONE come up with an alternate suggestion? If so, please post. If not, please skip it.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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This particular issue obviously disturbs you to some degree, or you wouldn't have bothered to mention it at all. Why don't you just clear your conscience of it, and tell your friends about it. As for showing them proof of what you are saying, you can provide them with some of the links which Wall of Sound was kind enough to supply (the specific Lawsuits filed which have named the KJs and Venues as defendants). If they don't believe you, then it's their problem... not yours!

Like I said, mail them something. Why not a copy of the lawsuit with their name highlighted?