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Yup, offensive as hell- Not my fault that I couldn't find chartreuse...

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AWRIGHT ALREADY you evil creatures- I ONLY asked MOONRIDER...geez.... Tough room.....

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i will keep my eyes open.

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[quote="Thunder]
SC and CB are both pursuing hard drive sellers with civil suits as well as trying to get criminal prosecutions. You also have to realize that most if not all of them are also the lowly little KJs you think the manus should just leave alone. Most of the pirate KJs running shows are also the sellers.[/quote]

I think the KJs that aren't selling pirated material should be left alone, while the pirate KJs are taken down. I haven't seen a single lawsuit posted anywhere that names a hard drive seller. You'd think with all the hard drive sellers so easily found and so diligently persued, we would see the suits posted all over the place as red meat for the cheerleaders and sceptics. And I would think the hard drive sellers would be making themselves harder to track down. And I would expect fewer of them.

Strangely, none of the above seems to be happening.

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There have been a couple of major hard drive sellers brought down, too late right now to search for them to list.

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Let's see, Karaoke Kandy Store, Cheapkaraoke, LightYearMusic, Dan Sterns, And there are several others as well. If you do a little internet tracking you will find that several of the pirates that have been named in lawsuits are also Ebay and Craigslist hard drive sellers as well, so even though they have been hit by one lawsuit they will probably get hit a second time after they settle the first case and the second one may involve jail time as well. Sound Choice isn't sitting on it's hands after they file a suit or even after one is settled, they continue to investigate those that have already been filed agaisnt, as well as new ones that are popping up. There are some who's only job is to purchase these loaded hard drives online!

Let's see, Karaoke Kandy Store, Cheapkaraoke, LightYearMusic, and Dan Sterns all are the same action/owner/etc so that's only ONE. Let's not mislead anyone Thunder (or Steve Miller, or Michael Handy, or "Mick"). Even if "several others" doubles this list, it's still only 2 total. And how many KJ's individually have been sued so far? 100?, 150?, 200?.....

There's no incentive for SC or anyone else to pursue HD sellers because there is no monetary return on it. They don't want to invest a dime if there is no chance for return so they simply place the blame on the "free federal agency" (who, in my opinion, really don't put karaoke squabbles at the top of their list). It's much more profitable for them to pump settlements out of individuals and besides, the HD sellers are creating a customer base so it's best to at least act like you want to do something while doing virtually nothing.

Brilliant.

So Thunder, who exactly are the "several others" that you've mentioned above... because I don't see any... Maybe you could fill us in.

My point exactly.
And where is that particular "lowly KJ" on the list being sued? Seems like an easy target being ignored.

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I see in your quote of Chip's post that he believes that all those listed are the same seller, if that is the case then perhaps SC and the FBI have sucessfully stopped the only karaoke hard disk pirate. Maybe he is the only one selling them under thousands of different names.

Now the only thing left to do is remove those who are using them!

At a glance it appears by looking on the KIAA website "Rogues Gallery" that Karaoke Kandy Store is a.k.a cheapkaraoke.com, a.k.a. cheapproaudio.com, a.k.a. clevelandkaraoke.com, a.k.a. lightyearmusic.com, a.k.a. ohiosound.com, a.k.a. proaudiooutlet (ebay), a.k.a. freebonusforeveryone (ebay), a.k.a. karaokedp (ebay), and Bill Bene is a.k.a. Dan Stern

So that's two people instead of one?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

Yeah. Maybe two. They're really shutting down the supply to help all the legal kj's and fight piracy aren't they?

They're practically superheros.

What possible reasoning can you come up with for the stance that it is OK to use pirated (stolen material) as long as you aren't selling it?

That's not what you quoted says.

It says:


Where does he say that it's ok to use pirated stolen material as long as you aren't selling it?

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My statements, opinions and conclusions are based on my own personal experiences, observations, research and/or just my own $.02. I'm not a "cheerleader", but that doesn't make me a Pirate.

so what if he did, he's entitled to his opinion, ad it's no more nutso, than some of the opinions at the opposite end of the spectrum....

No it doesn't sound like it applies:
What DK did was refuse to break the law and steal intellectual property, unlike the U.S. manufacturers that didn't have a problem with it.....so it simply opted to leave.

Sounds like they didn't stick around to be held accountable.
The U.S. manufacturers stayed and faced the music. They are still in business and to my knowledge their products are licensed.

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Had nothing to do with "accountable" and more like "accounted for" because all of their tracks were licensed. Problem was the U.S. manufacturers were not.

Kind of like the speed at which Top Tunes put out tracks..... way too fast to ever be licensed....

so......Athena is having problems with pirates in her area, DK had problems with pirates in theirs.
Athena's problem is her own doing, but DK's is someone else's doing.
Athena needs to be able to compete against other hosts getting their material faster and cheaper, from unlicensed sources, and if she can not, it's her own fault.
DK needed to be able to compete against other hosts getting their material faster and cheaper from unlicensed sources, and if they can not, it is NOT their own fault.
if your own talent is not enough to compete against "cheaters" or however someone wishes to name them, it is either their own fault, or not. it can not go different ways for different people.

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You are comparing apples to oranges. Talent vs. License are two different things. And there is a difference: Joe C has LOTS of pirates in his area... why haven't they pushed him out of business? Because he has something you can't replace with 200,000 tracks on a hard drive: Talent....

Getting a product to market shelves doesn't require talent to do it quickly to out-market any company that takes the time to license a product legally.

For instance:
It has been said on this forum that SC made 2,000 eagles discs and recalled half of them. That leaves 1,000 discs in the market unlicensed.... at $39.00 each, that's $39,000.00 dollars received from KJ's that thought they were purchasing a really cool eagles disc that was licensed. (after all it does say "Used by permission" at the end of every track.) That's 39k that customers no longer have to spend on licensed products, from DK or any other manufacturer that actually licensed product. That isn't talent - that's stealing and fraud and illegal.

There is a difference.