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I keep my books online simply because I do not have a kiosk & people bring in their laptop since we have wifi, they look up the books sitting in the club - their own personal kiosk, however it doesn't have the ability to send a request - this is not a big deal IMO, I prefer the one on one interaction when they hand me a slip (yes I still prefer slips too).
As far as advertising goes, sure word of mouth goes along way for locals, however people from out of town looking for a great place to sing, wouldn't have the slightest clue where i'm at. All my advertising is on free "where to sing" sites, so it costs me nothing but a little time.

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Here, the out-of-towners simply ask the locals where best places are...

Sure if they know who to ask. But I like to give other ways to find our show as well.

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how does it figure into things that all the Henly/Frey songs can be gotten on a custom Sound Choice disc? without licensing, how is that possible without using the MCPS license which is no longer applicable to U.S. based companies?
example...."The Long Run" is Henley/Frey.

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When I plan a vacation to another State, I usually don't know where the local Karaoke shows are. I do an Internet search, and try to dig up shows somewhere nearby to where I plan to stay. After I have gotten a list together, the only thing I am able to do, is call up and verify that the place still has Karaoke. There are no locals for me to ask (until I get out there).



Not only that, but a lot of the Motels where I've stayed, the staff had no clue about where there was some local Karaoke shows (let alone good ones). So... what's my next step? Go out into the street, and walk up to passer-bys and ask if they know of any place? It's nice to have some kind of listing to look up.

i understand if you don't NEED to, word of mouth is the best for sure, but why the need to hide it? i don't see the DOWNSIDE to the bar name coming out.

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There isn't one!

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Look, it's this simple: If YOU want to play WallOfSound's stupid little investigative game, feel free to do so, I've no intention of caving in to your peer pressure.

I take offense at both of the above comments. Nothing is being hidden here. Why is there such an interest in where I might or might not work, how many gigs I might or might not have? I'm not interested in where you work, I'm not asking you and all you are doing is enabling WOS's "spooky stalking and bullying tactics." He started with the insinuation that I have no discs, like I've been some big, bad, multirigging pirate and he continues to perpetuate this myth. I think the disc sales I've been making and even just the photos we've posted here prove him wrong but apparently, that's not good enough for the rest of you either.

Do you really think WOS is interested in visiting a "fun, Michigan karaoke show?" Get real. He's not a patron, he's not a competitor, hell he can't keep 2 systems working and I don't care how many gigs he has or how many discs he has or where his day job is (if he has one) or anything else about him. He's simply trying his best to act like some important "boogie man" and I'm not falling for it. Your mileage may vary.

I'm really sick and tired of WOS stirring something up and then the rest of you jumping in an piling on like whatever he's insinuated (again) has even a shred of truth to it when all he wants is for you to be his little robots... and you keep falling for it. It's the same junk others would pull here: If you don't get the answer you want right away, point fingers and insinuate that something's being "hidden." How many more times are you going to do this?

Amazing.

He leads you around like you've got rings in your noses.

Jesus........i asked about the downside to someone knowing where you are. not where you were when Nichole Simpson was murdered. you will not say where your show is and i was hoping that there was more than paranoia behind it and you had some other reason (venue may be closing, moving, you get a better offer, etc.) for an active successful show i could not fathom a reason to hide a venue and hoped there was one. i wasn't insinuating anything, and it had nothing to do with WOS. how can you be offended by Joe's answer as well that there is no downside to people knowing where your venue is? not asking your home address, mothers maiden name, social security number, just where you do a public karaoke show. ok.....so you don't want anybody to know where you do a show, if you do a show, or anything about you if you are you or not.

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It all boils down to the comfort level of the host and what his or her goals might be. In my opinion sometimes being too successful is just as big a problem, as not drawing flies. We all have are regular clients, as well as people who we see once in a while, then of course there are the few we see just once. I don't send out a 1000 invites a week. In fact I have just invite the old fashioned way by word of mouth, the personal approach, it is this going up shaking hands, face to face method that seems to work for me. I had a lady call me last night for a private party on Saturday afternoon, another satisfied customer referred my show. I worked out the time so I could still do the main show on Saturday night. It really amazes me how some of the work comes to me, but I know I'm doing it right by my customers recommending my services, really I wouldn't want it any other way. This reinforces to me that I have positioned my self correctly in the market place. That the product itself is superior to what else is available. Every karaoke host has his own style and methods of doing business, that's what make this business so exciting. It is the host that develops his or her business to fit their style and comfort level. It is unfortunate that the climate of the business has changed since SC has started all of these legal issues. It has pitted hosts against one another, and in my opinion has done more harm than good. I like to run my show on two levels. First and primary to keep the venue interested in karaoke you must keep the bar full for that is where the money is made, along with whatever is made off the food. Second level is the artistic part of the show. You need to attract singers from your area, keeping in mind that if the show becomes too successful and the rotation to extended that will work against you as well. The serious singers want to at least sing 3 songs in an evening, 4 if the time permits. There is always the diva that wants to hog the mike, as long as possible and picks the longest songs they can find. I'm glad to hear that you have found something that works for you that is what it is all about. It is a matter of personal choice as to what a host wishes to disclose on this forum. A condition of participating is not full disclosure, and my current work load will not permit me to be taking trips anytime soon to visit out of state hosts. I wish all my fellow hosts success in what they are doing. It is by all of our efforts together, we keep the industry going, or else all of these manus would be going the way of the buffalo! Since again in my opinion, the last viable market for the manus is the hosts both legal and illegal.

This in my opinion is a personal choice that should be left up to the host, as to what information he or she chooses to release on this forum. Full disclosure in not a requirement for participation, and really I'm not curious about knowing anything that someone might want to keep private. There is after all a right to a certain amount of privacy, I know some hosts feel you have surrendered that right once you play in public, I disagree with this idea.
You have the view it is paranoia, that paranoia did not exist in our industry until SC started their so called crusade to rid the industry of pirates. 3 years ago the whole industry was much more supportive and open than it is today. You can say it is just the sign of the times. Chip has every right to be prudent when protecting himself and his clients from possible legal actions being taken against them. I take the same precautions, if anyone is paranoid and running scared it is SC, not the hosts. Some hosts feel it is ok to list their shows on this forum and use as a form of advertising, what am I to think about that? That maybe business is slow and they need to pick it up a bit. We are all free to think what we want to, and I'm sure that not all reasons are as sinister as some other hosts have suggested.

"jumping in an piling on" and how many time have you and other that hold your views have done the same thing? Pot/Black? Just askin'

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You are correct rumbolt, there are several groups or factions on the site, there is a difference of opinion on many subjects. Sometimes even people that you would think would be on the same side of an question differ as to what the answer might be to them. In my short time on this forum I have made many mistakes, the whole idea is to learn from them and go on if possible. Just like the manu supporters have I feel standard message, the other side has a right to differ with them, and not be accused of at least supporting criminal activity. The middle ground in this whole debate seems to be the most difficult to maintain, since either side wants you to be with them. I would hope that all being adults the hosts could over time develop some kind of understanding on how to deal with piracy. My personal feeling is that the problem has gone on for too long and that the present solution will only depress karaoke further, with a double dip recession a real threat, even more venues will close or drop entertainment. It might take two or three more years, but in the long run if the manus cannot develop some sort of method to protect their product, they will simply cease to exist. I know this is a bleak outlook, and like I said it is just my observation of the situation.

There is a big difference between the discussion of;

#1. The necessity of advertising your gig locations for patrons and,

#2. A question phrased as "Where do you work?"

IF you are discussing #1, there's no problem at all, but why would you, KJAthena or W.O.S. be interested in #2? What does it matter if I work at "Applebees", "Denny's", "Fred's Giant Bar" or "Myrtle's Lounge and Girl Emporium?"

It simply doesn't.

I'm in complete agreement. Unless you actually want to come to a show of mine, it doesn't matter where I work or on what days. Why would it. Unless, of course, you have some other reason for wanting to know.
If you are asking just to be threatening, as WOS was, then, no, I will not answer the question. That kind of question, and the reasoning behind it, simply has no place here. It's simply just another thinly veiled insinuation that we are pirates and that he will be sending the "pirate police" to check us out, and I take offense to that.
If, on the other hand, you will be coming to my area and want to attend my show, pm me and we'll work something out. I have nothing to hide from those that bear me no ill will. Just ask toqer, Karen K, Chip, and Birdofsong. (BTW, toqer is one of the BIGGEST anti pirate people on here, in case you didn't know. Just too bad that some on here can't take a lead from him on how to behave towards others).
But if you are coming across with stalking behavior and asking questions that you have no real need of knowing the answers to, then of course I will question your motives and respond accordingly.
It's all in the WAY you ask and the WAY you present it.
As for advertising on the net, or sending out invites every week, I have no real need to do so. My shows are almost too busy most nights and our town is small enough that visitors will easily find the busy bar that night (it's always mine!).

Maybe some of us here would just like to know if you are as nice and personable in person running a show, as you are here. I mean, you really go out of your way to make us like you.

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You sure have a large ego to think I was even referring to YOU at all! I was answering a question that someone had asked. I could care LESS where you or your shows are - or anybody elses for that matter. So there is no 'offense' to be had!


Hmmm, sounds kind of familiar! I agree, i'm sick and tired of it as well!

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Jees! Now advertising is only used to save a dying show>? Get real!

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