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 Post subject: Re: Jim & Chip's Sandbox
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MtnKaraoke wrote:
thewraith derailed the thread... fact.. first to mention SC in the thread that excluded it... hypocrisy to bash James for responding.
Drinking at your gig tonight were you? Mentioning SC in the third post was not to derail the thread, but to state that thewraith did not condone their actions or believe that their investigations were legitimate (which turned out to be true).

Harrington derailed it when he went off on his list of SC goodies.

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...regardless of your stance with SC... you can't make up facts.
Apparently, it's okay for you to make up facts?


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I'd reconsider your recent dosage adjustment if I were you.

The first mention of SC in that thread that specifically excluded SC was not James. Fact.

The derail was initiated with that post. Fact.

You don't like it? Tough.

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First three laws of debate:

1. If the facts support your position, pound on the facts.

2. If the law supports your position, pound on the law.

3. If neither the law or the facts support your position, pound on the table.


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First three laws of debate:

1. If the facts support your position, pound on the facts.

2. If the law supports your position, pound on the law.

3. If neither the law or the facts support your position, pound on the table.

“First Law of Debate: Never Argue With A Fool -- People Might Forget Who's Who”.

:lol: Please don’t shoot the messenger. It was quoted from:
http://www.anvari.org/fortune/Laws/398_ ... s-who.html

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I'd reconsider your recent dosage adjustment if I were you.

The first mention of SC in that thread that specifically excluded SC was not James. Fact.
Right AND Wrong. You're WRONG because the "first mention" was in the title that "specifically excluded SC" before Atty. Harrington ignored that and jumped in anyway. What part of "NON/SC" confuses you?

And, you're right because "the mention" was not done by Harrington. But that didn't matter. Either way, it's still not an invitation for him to offer a menu of services from "American manufacturers" and then verbally abuse the poster because he didn't like the content.
It really wouldn't have mattered how many times thewraith would have "mentioned" SC, their trolling activities or anything else -- the thread specifically excluded them from the conversation which was about Canada.

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The derail was initiated with that post. Fact.
You don't like it? Tough.
(1) Your "fact" isn't one unless you're talking about Harrington's post and,
(2) There's nothing to "like" or "dislike" about it tough guy. Your facts simply aren't facts.


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What the he77. :twisted:
If you see anything in another thread that you'd like to comment on - copy it and bring it here to spar in and leave those threads alone!
This is not exactly what I had in mind but it doesn't matter. We'll make do.


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Yea i was thinking the same thing. Th8s isnt for everyone to slam Chip or Jim. This is so they can take quotes and bring them here to discuss only to keep other thread clean of their arguements.

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Yea i was thinking the same thing. Th8s isnt for everyone to slam Chip or Jim. This is so they can take quotes and bring them here to discuss only to keep other thread clean of their arguements.

Are you discouraging participation by anyone other than Chip or Jim?

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Oh, Sorry........thought I was listening to the Republican debate........carry on.....:)


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Are you discouraging participation by anyone other than Chip or Jim?
I hope not. I WANT everyone to participate here. I can live without the "one-liner insults" but I certainly want people to participate.

I believe that there are more people out there that silently agree with more of my views than they'd care to admit, but they don't want to respond because they don't want to be on you-know-who's radar.

(Here's a tip: If you "register your library" in order to avoid being sued, you're paying them and registering yourself on the radar.)

And it's hard to argue with documentation to back up statements, something that I've been known to do for years, but which has always been sorely lacking from the "Corp. Officer/Marketing VP/Head Attorney" representative.


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So let me see if I understand this.....

Chip has been banned....more than once. Each time allowed to come back and repeat the same behavior.
Chip requests (and receives) a forum specifically so he can continue to do the exact thing that he has been banned for in the past.

I believe it is time to start looking at other forums where rules aren't tweaked in favor of disruptive influences. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

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So let me see if I understand this.....

Chip has been banned....more than once. Each time allowed to come back and repeat the same behavior.
Chip requests (and receives) a forum specifically so he can continue to do the exact thing that he has been banned for in the past.

I believe it is time to start looking at other forums where rules aren't tweaked in favor of disruptive influences. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Wow, There's just no pleasing you is there?

And no, this is not "a forum" it is simply a thread within the existing forum. One that has been here for years... I would have preferred a "subforum" within the legal section so that topics could be more specifically pinpointed rather than having to post links to posts within a single thread, but whatever. I'm not about to complain and
I suggested that the arguments be moved here, to a central location that would keep everyone happy and you -- of all people -- said:
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Infinite likes!

But now you have a problem with it?

What happened between the "infinite likes!" and now?

Oh, I see, I told you it was my idea. Did it feel like someone peed in your Fruit Loops or are you just mad that you don't have a thread with your name on it? I don't even have top billing so why are you not just as angry that Harrington's name is on it? How about we rename it? "Yeti's litter box?" "Harrington's Legal Hammer Time?" "The Broken Record?" "Chris's Happy Place?"

I would hope that everyone would participate, (including you) but if you leave it's your choice, not mine. You're a big boy, take your ball and go home if you feel you are somehow victimized and/or slighted because your post above sounds like a childish threat to leave if the forum owners don't do what YOU want...

Sour grapes...


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HOW IS THAT SOUND CHOICE BULLETIN BOARD DOING THESE DAYS? FORUMS that only allow one side of the debate don't last very long.


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chrisavis wrote:
So let me see if I understand this.....

Chip has been banned....more than once. Each time allowed to come back and repeat the same behavior.
Chip requests (and receives) a forum specifically so he can continue to do the exact thing that he has been banned for in the past.

I believe it is time to start looking at other forums where rules aren't tweaked in favor of disruptive influences. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

I think you are being a little overly sensitive, here. Who gives a damn. If they have been give their own area to play, then so be it. Get off your horse, Chris.

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If it keeps their discussions here instead of every other thread, let's just see how it plays out.

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Act like a child, get treated like one? Ok, you 2 go over there and play and leave the big kids alone?

It's really a shame that it's come down to this. If the majority of the people haven't figured out by now that all Chip does is contradict everything Jim says, well then they should come play in the sandbox too and continue to be confused. Too bad Chip rarely, if ever, has any positive input or any input that is not SC related.

I won't speak for the GEM series but as a disc owner, I can't ever see a problem where I won't be able to use the media shifted discs under the current terms after an audit. It's really that simple. If they change their terms that somehow adversely affect the people using media shifted product with permission, I would think it could spark a class action lawsuit if enough people are affected.

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Lonman, Absolutely a great idea to start this thread...Any bets that this thread could expand by 60 pages in a single month?

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c. staley wrote:
chrisavis wrote:
So let me see if I understand this.....

Chip has been banned....more than once. Each time allowed to come back and repeat the same behavior.
Chip requests (and receives) a forum specifically so he can continue to do the exact thing that he has been banned for in the past.

I believe it is time to start looking at other forums where rules aren't tweaked in favor of disruptive influences. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Wow, There's just no pleasing you is there?

And no, this is not "a forum" it is simply a thread within the existing forum. One that has been here for years... I would have preferred a "subforum" within the legal section so that topics could be more specifically pinpointed rather than having to post links to posts within a single thread, but whatever. I'm not about to complain and
I suggested that the arguments be moved here, to a central location that would keep everyone happy and you -- of all people -- said:
chrisavis wrote:
Infinite likes!

But now you have a problem with it?

What happened between the "infinite likes!" and now?

Oh, I see, I told you it was my idea. Did it feel like someone peed in your Fruit Loops or are you just mad that you don't have a thread with your name on it? I don't even have top billing so why are you not just as angry that Harrington's name is on it? How about we rename it? "Yeti's litter box?" "Harrington's Legal Hammer Time?" "The Broken Record?" "Chris's Happy Place?"

I would hope that everyone would participate, (including you) but if you leave it's your choice, not mine. You're a big boy, take your ball and go home if you feel you are somehow victimized and/or slighted because your post above sounds like a childish threat to leave if the forum owners don't do what YOU want...

Sour grapes...


My final contribution to this debacle, then I am going to let everyone else duke it out......

My initial "infinite likes" was a knee jerk reaction. After some thought, I see it for what it really is - Management bending the rules for one particular person. A person they know is disruptive. A person they have banned multiple times for the very behavior they have now designated an area specifically for. A person that has driven away other posters. A person with one and only one agenda.

Chip, unlike the other people you have driven away from this and other forums, you are not the reason I am choosing not to participate. I am bowing out because of how the message board is being managed. Management has to make decisions on how to manage things and sometimes has to modify the rules to accommodate changing conditions. Changing the rules to accommodate one person goes to far. Giving someone an official area in which to sling mud is going to far. Overlooking, if not encouraging the very behavior that once got a person banned is going to far.

Management obviously feels that keeping Chip around is more important than losing other contributors.

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chrisavis wrote:
Management has to make decisions on how to manage things and sometimes has to modify the rules to accommodate changing conditions. Changing the rules to accommodate one person goes to far. Giving someone an official area in which to sling mud is going to far. Overlooking, if not encouraging the very behavior that once got a person banned is going to far.

Management obviously feels that keeping Chip around is more important than losing other contributors.


The sparring that goes on is not considered, by me, to be pointless. Neither does it serve as a bad example. I have learned from both (Pro & Anti) things and conditions I was previously unaware of.

I may take exception to the dirty politics each has resorted to (remember Karl Rowe), still I believe that I am able to make accurate notation of things noted by each that I can use in my business. If any of that makes any sense?

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