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Just like the GEM series was going to be "Instantly Pirated". Right?

Five years. Nothing.

In the Pep FAQ's"



Not that this matters, applies, or affects me, but, aren't the HELP Lincensees under a different set of rules, where they can be 1:x (x being any number of systems they may have in their operating rigs)?

This whole thing is a joke!! You are going to have a handful of host with new SC material. That is certainly NOT going to scare those who don't use SC. There are only so many new song releases on the radio, to make into Karaoke. So, those will already be covered, time and time again by SBI, Zoom, Part Tyme, and DTE. The quality of PT, ZM, AND SBI keeps getting better. Sorry, but after all this time, SC is just a name of an old company. I talk to A LOT of people, and most think SC is out of business. This new business model is NEVER going to make Kurt the kind of money he used to make, and that is speculating that there is even going to BE new production. Hey Kurt..........you blew it, throw in the damn towel already!! Let the BIG boys play now!! You are finished!!

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I am the ONLY SANE 1 HERE

I dug through some boxes yesterday, guess what?

Double handful of SC disks still in shrink wrap..

Maybe I'll post them up for sale..

Ask why that can happen, the answer is, "Impulse Buyer", sees a bargain, buys even though has the same item already.

Maybe Kurt needs to return to real estate speculation..

Right... Because it's;
(1) All "oldies" by today's standards and,
(2) There is nothing on the "Blue label Gem" series that hasn't already been redistributed through a torrent site from the original "red label."

So, there's really no point.

If this were true, you'd only see ONE torrent of every movie on the net! I mean there is no point to pirating the BLU-RAY when the 1080i is already out there...right? And yet, there are dozens. Hundreds even of various qualities and configurations.

Your post implies that nobody wants them, as the pirated red label songs already exist. This only proves you know nothing about the internet world of piracy. I can tell you, without a doubt, the complete GEM set would be the HOTTEST Karaoke torrent in years. Every disc? Every song? In MUCH better quality than what's out there now? C'mon Chip. Surely you can't be this naive?

The reason the GEM set hasn't been pirated via Torrent or Usenet is ONLY because of their many security measures and the licensing agreement. IT HAS WORKED! For five years!

I don't care who you are or what you think about Soundchoice. THAT is a monumental and undeniable victory in today's world. I guarantee you companies are taking note of the GEM success against piracy.

Apples to oranges. - remember? You don't need "higher resolution" and the only people that are really concerned even about bitrate -- are the KJ's. But a comparison to movies is ridiculous.



Baloney. The stuff is already out there. And you are correct: I know nothing about the internet world of piracy -- because I'm not a pirate. But apparently, you and a whole host of cheerleaders know all the the in's and outs..... -- just sayin'.


Not naive at all, but actually a realist because "every disc" and "every song" is already out there. The only people that care about bitrate are the KJ's and nil to none of the patrons that come in really care.


Bwhahaha! The sad part about this is that you actually believe it. The real reason that it's not there is because there's no demand for it. There's nothing there that anyone wants.



Yeah, it's legendary alright.... in your own mind. And that's the only place.

And this right here is EXACTLY why I posted the original message. I guess time will prove out whom is right.

I know who I am putting my money on.

On a slightly different but related note, initial piracy of any Advance tracks is going to require acess to either the master tracks, or a track that was purchased.

Let's just assume, for the sake of argument that it will not come from any users who have signed the license and purchased tracks.

That means the only other possibility is from the masters, which have to be hacked and any protection schemes removed. Not an impossible task, by any stretch of the imagination, but I would say it would require a level of skill that is beyond 80% of the people who use the internet.

That being said however, The ONLY way to prevent this 100% is to make sure that the master files are not connected to the internet, or a server of ANY kind.

But they want to deliver this files digitally which will require a connection to the internet.

My suggestion? Set up a specific time for each user thru skype and initiate a direct computer to computer file transfer. If these files are only connected to the internet while the file transfer is going on, since the hacker doesn't know where or when, it is is far less likely that someone will be able to hack the feed.


Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth

-James

also keep in mind, we are talking about pirates who are the ones who rip these songs in at 192. they don't see the need for higher bitrate and don't care enough to buy better quality.

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Wait a frickin' second! "TIME WILL PROVE OUT WHO IS RIGHT?!" Are you f'in SERIOUS? Do you own a calendar? Can you tell time? IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS!!! So, tell us. Are you putting your money on the people that, for five years, have said that the GEM set is evil? A bad business decision? A money losing proposition? A ruse? A scam? A sure way to screw your business?

OR the guy who, after FIVE YEARS of using the product has just proven it isn't?

How much time must elapse? PLEASE! We really wanna know!


The lame excuses you people come up with are absolutely comical! "Oh, pirates don't WANT better quality! Thieves don't know the difference! They are just a bunch of idiots!". They are HAPPY with their sh!tty quality bit-rates and f'ed up video you see.

Keep dreaming gents. The tech savvy among us understand your 90's attitude. But hey! Don't stop believing!


Ridiculous, eh? Because movie thieves are more quality conscious than karaoke thieves?

This whole line of thinking is antique. "Oh, pirates don't WANT better quality!". Well, that my friend is BULLSH!T. The pirates (aka F'ing THIEVES) are just like you and me. They want better quality songs and higher resolution. And if you were to give it to them for FREE, they would take it in a heartbeat! BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED! Why?! Because of the GEM SET security features and the license agreement.

AGAIN I SAY...this is unprecedented. Especially after FIVE YEARS!



Ah yes. The "guilty by knowledge" angle, also known as an "accessory" in legal terms. Because I understand and work with technology every day, I MUST BE A PIRATE! Gotcha! This is by far the lamest response I have ever seen from you. Honestly, I held you to higher debate standards than this.

So. Back on target! You will notice dear readers that my old friend did not give ANY rebuttal to my point. He merely attempted to deflect my SPOT ON comment by committing character assassination and implying one MUST be a pirate if one understands technology. Well done!

You will also notice that he admits to NOT UNDERSTANDING PIRACY TECHNOLOGY. You should take EVERY comment in the future with a grain of salt, as Mr. Staley has admitted he simply doesnt understand ANYTHING he is claiming to comprehend.



I see. So this is your angle now? There has been no pirating of the best base set in karaoke history, because thieves have no desire for quality?! You casually dismissed my earlier movie analogy. Why? It's exactly the same. Why is it that movie pirates want BLU-RAY quality, but Karaoke pirates don't?! Why exactly are Karaoke thieves ecstatically happy with crappy quality? I'd love to know.

But then again you have admitted to not understanding how it all works anyway. So why is it that we should believe you again?



You know, there was a day when your cackles were believed by the less educated. When all you had to do was rant & scream and your minions would fall in line and back you up. But those days are gone, especially now that you admit you really don't understand the technology of piracy anyway.

You have one option. GIVE US SOME EVIDENCE! It's been FIVE YEARS my dear friend! It's not me believing anything. This is not a religion. It's not about faith. I have FIVE YEARS of proof! How many years does it take?! Seven? Ten? Fifteen?

C'mon. Are you seriously going to cling to your original argument after FIVE YEARS?! Give it up dude. You have been proven wrong. Not by me...but by TIME.



It's plainly obvious who is right and who is wrong here. You've lost your touch in your long absence.

But hey. "Nice Try".

all I can add at this point is that I REALLY REALLY hope that PEP is able to keep to its three month release schedule *end of September plus two months*

I will be really nice to have some definitive proof to rub in the naysayers faces

Altho I guess there is the slim chance I will be eating crow. My guess is we will know one way or the other within two months after the first new release.

Consdering that the red label tracks usually were pirated within the first week of release, I would say that is more than enough time for definitive proof.

hope you all brought popcorn

-James

Bazza

When I said 'time will tell' I meant in regards to the ADVANCE series. The release of these tracks will offer incontrovertible, undeniable proof so that people can't use the lame excuse of "It's because it's already available"

All it's going to take is ONE song that has never ever been released on karaoke then we will absolutely know the truth once and for all. For the record, my money is on I won't be seeing any advance tracks on the torrent after release.

There is NO way someone would pay that much money for new music and risk a lawsuit just to stick it to a karaoke producer, I could of course be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

After all, a long while back I think I remember seeing someone post that their gem series was stolen,, and they STILL haven't shown up on the torrents.

That says to me that they either didn't know what they had stolen, or they didn't want to get caught..

-James

Again, i'm hoping that I will find out in about three months or so

Ahhh, I get it now. Brilliant!



Yup.



I don't think the money has anything to do with it. It's the fact that they WILL get caught, and thus be legally liable.



I forgot about that. It was an evil roomate or some such, right?

"Higher resolution?" Really? For graphics made up of 8x8 bitmapped text? Have you been drinking or are you really that ignorant of what makes up karaoke graphics?


There, I highlighted what you MISREAD. How did "know nothing about the internet world of piracy" Suddenly become "I know nothing of the TECHNOLOGY of piracy?"

Figures you would misinterpret and twist to suit your on-going rant:

Obviously, you have (among other life challenges) reading comprehension problem because I understand "the technology" just fine. You just wallow in the words you've attempted to put in my mouth... to further your agenda.

When I say "technology" I mean that I do not have any of the techonology: I do not have any IRQ software, P2P software or any of the technological tools.... because I have no need for them.


Read my lips: There has been no need to pirate the gem set because all those songs have already been pirated from your brand -- and contrary to your belief, most pirates that download it obviously don't care about the differences between 128 and 320 when it comes to bitrate because they are just like the patrons: They don't care as long as they have "the song."


Once again, (and contrary to your spewing) the gem set of oldies is nothing that can't be pirated off the red label... and already has been.... capish? So why would anyone on the planet want it? Even after 5 years? or 6 years, or 20 years? It's easy to say; no one wants my blue toy... because it's special... when the truth is that everyone already has a red one.

But keep on telling yourself that fib... it's easier for you to believe it. I would only agree with you if the same songs weren't already out on the red label.... but they are so once again, you're just howling at moon and don't realize how dumb you look.


Not at all. You're desperately flailing about... hoping that someone will believe the same old story you've been repeating for 5 years.... But it won't matter if you end up repeating it for the next 20 years, it won't change the fact that every song on the gem has already been redistributed -- even before the gem was wrongfully produced.

But what has happened in the last 5 years is that the very company that leased you this product is out of business, (gone, as in kaput) the lease picked up by their successor who holds "the paper."

And 5 years later, I'm still in business..... Bet you didn't see that coming!

Was somebody trying to put you out of business?

Nope...

I didn't even transfer assets and explode into dust and ashes... (Like Slep-Tone did.)

BTW; did you send out legal notices to all the Slep-Tone licensees that PEP was a successor and that they should send their payments to you?

No, you just scaled back your operations by 80% when you realized you might get sued, then spent the next six years whining about how much wrong we were doing.



And now we know Mr. Staley's flavor of the week for this week. Hmmm...still bitter, I see.

Since you're not a licensee, I guess you're condemned forever not to know, because what happens between us and our licensees is between us and our licensees.