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You know what guys (and gals if you are here), After I read through all the comments within this thread I have come to realize one thing (I already knew it but had it now confirmed). The vast majority of you havent been to vegas in the last 2 years and have no Idea what you are speaking of. (If you were there I didn't meet you (I did meet Bigjer) and yes I was in front of a lot of people). Sadly, unless you were there you really did miss some great content and networking regarding Karaoke. The shows (ADJA and Mobile Beat) never treated karaoke with disrespect or as the bastard child some here want to make it seem. Yes, I am calling you out, those that sit on the side lines and find excuse after excuse not to go there. I will be at the ADJA show and I want to challenge anyone here to come out and meet me and others that are involved in the karaoke industry. Otherwise, just sit behind your computer screens and (@$%&#!), moan and groan. Sit on the sidelines or get in the game!

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

I beg to differ. I went to the 2012 MobileBeat show. Digitrax was there and I spoke to them. Had a great conversation with Gretchen. But they had not yet deployed KaraokeCloud yet so there was little to really go into with that service. But Joe Vangieri was more than happy to try to upsell me on that Play A Long Guitar thing.

Sound Choice was there, and I did speak to Kurt, but with only the GEM to sell and the climate at the time, there wasn't much to talk about outside of legalities. I think Tricreasoft was there, but I didn't speak to them because I wasn't convinced of using their service at the time.

Everything else was geared toward DJ's.

I would have loved to have gone to the conference when they did the reboot, but schedules conflicted, and the Karaoke Summits didn't convince me that it would be truly valuable.

Since there doesn't seem to be any roadmap for karaoke and future conferences, we can only assume that it is going to remain exactly the way it has - karaoke just isn't important to the conference organizers.

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-Chris

Ok Chris, I know you were there as was I but the vast majority of those that ask the questions and then just as quickly start stating as to why they don't go to the shows assuming there is zero content for Karaoke. I can tell you and everyone else this, until the karaoke host begin to attend these shows and the promoters see that there is a growth in numbers of attendees with a more than passing interest in karaoke you will not see the karaoke segments at the shows grow. Perhaps some here have no concept of the cost of producing a show and spending resources to bring good content to the shows for the attendees to enjoy and become involved in. Show are never done on the concept of "if you build it they will come" but more like "if they want it we will do everything we can do to provide it but only if we see they support it". If the numbers don't support the event then don't expect the event to grow.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

Sorry Rum, but both Chris and JD WERE there, as well as others, and found it lacking. No game to get into. You are the only one with a positive comment. While I didn't go, I read their e -mail ads ( no concern for karaoke shown) and saw the fairly bland to negative list of presenters.

I guess it was a matter of preference, but your description doesn't seem to agree with others.
Maybe listening to SC ( a non-producer, non-player, non-contributor to our industry) pushing their agenda might not have been a high point of interest for most karaoke hosts.

While it's still early, the impression given by the MB ad for the next show doesn't sound any more inviting for those in our industry. Hopefully Ryan will find a karaoke industry guy to get the job done this time, assuming they really aren't giving karaoke a pass. Ryan's expertise would then be free for the DJ part, where he excels.

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

I'd be interested in those links as well.

I know Rumbolt was there. I know "Karaokeman" was there. Evidently, A whole lot of others were there that I never had the chance to meet somehow. Did you meet anybody I failed to mention Rumboldt?

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Thanks for posting that. I'd honestly forgotten how rough some of the presentations started - BUT if you aren't already an expert on social media - and I definitely am not - then that presentation IS worth waiting through. If I 'd known they were going to give the goods away for free - I wouldn't have paid myself.

First - MobileBeat told us -

"Karaoke 4.0 successfully launched at MBLV18 – and will be returning for our next MBLV DJ Conference. Look for more updates on that soon."
http://www.mobilebeat.com/las-vegas-dj- ... okereboot/

THEY dropped the ball, not us.

Second - MobileBeat KNOWS we are out here. If they were truly interested in getting us there, they would be marketing and advertising to us. Thus far in 2014, there has been exactly *ONE* article on MobileBeat directly related to karaoke hosts -

ASCAP, BMI and SESAC Explained for DJs and KJs
http://www.mobilebeat.com/prosanddjs/

I don't count these because they are nothing more than advertising for 3rd parties in the form of articles -

National Karaoke Association
http://www.mobilebeat.com/talent/nation ... sociation/

Karaoki/DJ Software Creators, PCDJ, Release PCDJ Karaoki Update
http://www.mobilebeat.com/karaokidj-sof ... ki-update/

DigiTrax Entertainment Sponsored Seminar
http://www.mobilebeat.com/talent/digitr ... d-seminar/

I am tied into a lot of different karaoke related things on the web and the only places I saw any active promotion of the Karaoke Reboot sessions was here and on the MobileBeat site.

It wasn't in my local printed karaoke magazine.
It wasn't promoted to me through Facebook forums related to karaoke that I am a part of (except for what *I* advertised for them!).
It wasn't advertised during the TV shows I watch.
It wasn't advertised on the radio shows I listen to.
It wasn't being talked about in the local karaoke community where I obviously spend a crap load of time.

If I weren't a part of this forum, it is very likely I would never have known the conference and the sessions even existed.

Third - In spite of what you may see on YouTube, fish don't make a habit of jumping in boats to let you know you should bait a hook and drop it in the water. If you want to catch a lot of fish, you will have a lot more success by figuring out what that fish likes to eat and then lure them in.

I suggest you read this thread -

What can I do to get you all to Vegas?
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29056&hilit=seminar+suggestions

We told Ryan how to get us there. Then he disappeared.

If MobileBeat wants to get us to their convention, they are going to have to figure out to engage with us and have a conversation with us. They can't pop in, wave at us, then leave.

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-Chris

Thanks for the links.

I just watched the for the first time and unfortunatly the essence of the actual seminar was not captured on video. I guess you had to be there because the was so much more going on in the rooms before and after the video portions.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

Thanks Chris. You pretty much said it all, and way better than I did. I guess I feel that MB actually gave us a pass last time too.....

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"No Contests, No Divas, Just A Good Time!"

" Disc based and loving it..."

Have you personally tried to call Ryan and discuss your viewpoint with him? Or, do you figure you could just tell him what to do and he will do it only on this forum. In my eyes a discussion on a thread in a forum is not a conversation no more that it is between to other members here. Just as if you think you know me from just this forum you really don't know me.

This forum has a very tiny footprint in the overall Karaoke community. There are discussions happening all over the place on a national level. I personally have spoken to Ryan several times since last year and most recently about MB19. He is working hard on next years event. If you sit and wait, that's what you will do, wait with little or no results. You have to look past the end of the road in your town. I sugges you become involved in a national group, ie NAME, ADJA, or the soon to come NKA. In those groups the discussions are all over the place.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

I'm not sure how some of you don't know how karaoke is perceived by the majority of the DJ community but.... it ain't good. DJs (and this is what I have gathered, not what I think) think karaoke is the last stop before you retire. You don't even choose one single song you play, they are all selected by the singers, not the KJ. If you look at the demographics, karaoke hosts are majority old white males. You don't hear any young guys (or girls) chomping at the bit to run a karaoke show.

Mixing the vocals and the music is considered more of a sound board function than that of a performer. DJs are the performer, KJs announce the performer. So there is zero creativity as a kj. Once again, this is the perception of some DJs, bands, etc.

So little wonder there is no platform for karaoke at mobile beat, it's for DJs and there is little interest in knowing any more about it. That seminar video was like watching the school board on community tv. Good Grief.

As the only old asian kj onboard, I just found out I'm in the minority here. (I'm kidding, rickgood)

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To be fortunate enough to derive an income from a source as fulfilling as karaoke music has got to be as close to heaven as we can get here on earth!

Sorry Rumbolt, but telling us we should be going to the cj association's for karaoke information is like telling us to go to ASE to get information on motorcycle mechanics. ASE doesn't care or deal with motorcycle mechanics and dj association's don't care about kj's.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

If Ryan is going to come here and ask us "How do I get you to come to Vegas?" then he needs to stick around for the answers.

Nuff Said.

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-Chris

I totally disagree with "your gathering" of information. At all the national events I attend and all the djs I speak with, unless they are just wedding only djs do not see karaoke as the "last stop". I have several young djs that will do Karaoke mid week for me as an additional income stream aside form the other weekend events they do. Maybe you need to get out of you comfort zone and start attending some regional and national dj events.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

Because there are so many regional events to attend?

And because the national events have so much to offer karaoke hosts?

And notice how you called each of theM "DJ events"?

I am not trying to be difficult here. I am pointing out the obvious disconnect between wanting to get us there but not paying attention to us or offering anything to us. We will show up when there is something of value to us.

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-Chris

He did stick around and the tone that some struck back at him with was to blast him with mostly negative responses and unreasonable request like FREE passes. That is when he retreated from the few that actually responded. Reread the thread and you will see what I am talking about, I was involved in the thread too. My opinioin was that most the responders in that thread would not have gone anyway but were just finding a other place to kick the manus and the industry. Seems that everyone makes excuses but never helps find reasonable solutions.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

and btw....I just sent Ryan a message on FB.

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-Chris