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Then again, business is business. Do you think that the CEO's of major companies got to where they did on being ethical? Or having morals? I seriously doubt it. If you want to compete in business , the moral issue doesn't cut it.

Like I said, There are only 10% of us operating legally. As MadProAudio said, we are the guppy's trying to survive in an ocean of sharks. Left to our own defenses, sooner or later, we may be eaten, and vanish from the ocean becoming a extinct species.

Right now, I am happy to be working and operating legally. I plan to continue to do so. But, I can also understand how a KJ who has operated legally can become frustrated and start pirating music in order to survive.

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We must concede to much of what ThropherM is saying because he simply is handing out medicine and harsh reality.

Thankful that you are not effected as much as the others regarding piracy because I do believe being a kj. You can develop a following, reputation that gives you a leg to stand on.

When it comes to us being a retailer. Those that offer systems with tons of music where we cannot is completely killing us. Example; We sell a karaoke player for about $159-179 and others can turn around and sell the same player for $199 with over 1,000 songs with it. Clearly impossible for us to accomplish at this point.

I get it where you are saying it is not the manufacturers responsibility to police & I actually stand by that. Nevertheless, it does not change the bad taste in my mouth over it or the sleepless nights holding onto a business that I slowly built and find I am surrounded by pirates who are burning down my walls.

When I think of a karaoke manufacture which is much smaller than other industries. Think of the manufacture selling their player to dealers who they clearly know are loading up drives and unfairly competing against the other dealers. My heart wants the manufacturer to step in and simply NOT sell to them. But still understanding this is asking for too much.

(Not trying to down ourselves, yet facing reality). So with all our core ethics/principals and high mightiness. We are in reality the SUCKERS here because we have experienced it and know for a fact that the other seller will sell 20 players to our every one. Yet if we simply crumbled and did the same thing, we could possibly survive. Even understanding this, it is the nature of who you are that stops you from doing this. So the ones that have honor are the ones that will sooner or later lay in ruins and the ones that chose to do wrong from the start are thriving. Where is divine intervention when you need it.

We even had someone just call us and even though the system we had advertised was fairly priced. They kept talking about some other ad that had over 1,000 songs and from the looks of it, a better deal. If we were to add 1,000 songs to the system and sold it for that same price, we would be working in the negative. So how is it that the other seller is offering all that music for what appears to be nothing. In fact, too many ads saying free music too. WOW, where can we get some of that free music. Oh, forget it, I think we know where the free music might come from! Needless to say, they never called us back.

What makes us even more upset is here we are trying to educate future kj's as to the differences and it gets to be so overwhelming because all we really are doing is setting the kj up for failure asking them to do the right thing and NOT buy these loaded drives, etc. that make no sense at all.
We send them out into a world where they are outnumbered 90 to 10. We know people in this forum understand it much better no need to educate any of you. We are all just venting and listening to each other.

Very sad because if anyone puts 1,000 x's the heart into their business than 1000 other companies combined, it would be us. So in a perfect world, we would be unstoppable and happy I suppose. Such a shame we live in such a messed up industry. Can't beat them, join them! In our case. Can't beat them. Sleepless nights & sometimes wanting to quit all together. Will NEVER join them!

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In the clips where they show him wearing that blue long sleeve shirt. Notice it is shaded from the rib cage down. I did not watch it all. But wondered if he had fallen into the water at one point and the shirt is wet?

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Wow, that's some BS victim mentality that just isn't true in real life.

In a free market, money is made through building and maintaining relationships through integrity. Plain and simple, the free market is designed so that if you provide a product or service that SERVES the wants and needs of others, they will happily and freely pay for that product or service. There are a few unscrupulous CEOs and business owners, but the VAST majority are men and women with normal human flaws who have worked extremely hard and built a network of relationships through integrity and service. The silly notion that CEOs are just out screwing people out of their money is just false. People FREELY give big companies money. No one puts a gun to your head for cable, or your car, or the brand of shoes you wear, and there is not a product or service in the world you HAVE to have at any price short of basic food, clothing, and shelter. There really is no reasonable way any given CEO can screw any number of people over and not suffer the consequences, let alone the idea that they do it every day. It's just standard "US" vs. "THEM" politics where you think that CEO is somehow 180 degrees different than you are, and they just aren't.

If you think the CEO at XYZ corporation makes too much money, or their product or service sucks, don't buy their product or service. They will go out of business if you are right. If they are treating you poorly, and you still hand them over your money, then I would call that you being a dumbazz, not them taking advantage of you. The free market ALWAYS wins in the end, despite what the sensationalized media says. Maybe you've just been watching too much TV?

So who is the big, evil CEO who is keeping you down? For every ten CEOs who make the news acting poorly, there are thousands who are very high character, high work ethic individuals. The good ones just don't make the news. Just like violent crime is down 40% since the 1990s, but you wouldn't know it from the news. The sky is falling EVERY DAY in the media. If you take it at fact, you are living in a pretty crappy dream world. The news is a negative fantasy world that just doesn't reflect real life. Real life is much much better than that.

The free market rewards service and punishes bad behavior 99 times out of 100. As long as you think otherwise, you will continue to be a victim of an oppression that doesn't exist, and I feel sorry for you. Most success in this world is a combination of hard work, integrity, and a bit of luck. If you don't believe that, you are going to have a hard time finding it! And apply those principals to the karaoke world and you'll ultimately be successful as well, pirates or no pirates.

Man, this thread has gone way down the rabbit hole, huh?

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KJ, FL

Man did you misconstrue this whole post. I never said that CEO's are out to screw people. I simply said that many of them did not achieve the high level of power and got to where they did from being ethical, moral or honest. Business owners, politicians, CEO's, etc. did not get to where they are today from always doing the right thing. Plain and simple that is a fact. It's probably like karaoke, 10% have values and do the right thing while the rest are underhanded and do whatever it takes and whoever they need to step on to climb up the corporate or political ladder.

You need to wake up and stop living your pipe dream. THIS, is the reality.

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I have to concur with Alan B. Seems like two people making a good point, yet missing each other on the road. I did not reply to Alan's first post on that nor yours.

I actually thought Alan's comment had some truth, just that it needed further elaboration. I think you are BOTH right in one sense or another. The thing I have seen in many of these forums is that many people have taken up arms in their debate when clarification, modest rebuttals, etc. could be so much more positive in nature.

Take care guys!

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Media does usually have it's own twist on things - especially if they are *** You can fill in the blanks for the network.

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Here are some very interesting media connections:

ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, National Security Adviser.
CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications.
ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former Whitehouse Press Secretary Jay Carney
ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary
ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood
CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.

Wow! you just got a "holy Cr@p out of me on this one! Very interesting!

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And FOX news is married to the Tea Party

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And Charles Darwin married his first cousin and had 10 children. How's that for evolutionary irony!

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C Mc
KJ, FL

1) Susan Rice, National Security Adviser, married Canadian-born, ABC News producer, Ian Officer Cameron,[12] on September 12, 1992 at the St. Albans School chapel.[13] They met as students at Stanford.[14] They have two children, Jake and Maris.[8][9][15]

2) Benjamin J. Rhodes (born 1977) is the current deputy national security adviser for strategic communication for U.S. President Barack Obama. Rhodes is married to Ann Norris, chief foreign policy adviser to Senator Barbara Boxer.[citation needed] His brother, David, is president of CBS News

3) Claire Shipman is an American television journalist, currently the senior national correspondent for the ABC program, Good Morning America. She also blogs at the website True/Slant. She is married to Jay Carney, President Barack Obama's former White House Press Secretary.[

4) Matthew Jaffe, a reporter for ABC News and Univision who most recently covered the GOP primary, has married a member of Pres. Obama’s press team. Jaffe married Katie Hogan, the president’s deputy press secretary, in Lake Geneva, WI over the weekend

5) The list of prominent news people with close White House relations includes ABC News President Ben Sherwood, who is the brother of Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, a top national-security adviser to President Obama.

6) CNN’s deputy Washington bureau chief, Virginia Moseley, is married to Tom Nides, who until earlier this year was deputy secretary of state under Hillary Rodham Clinton.

All this data came from WikiPedia and the Washington Post. Debunk away.

Any of those folks run karaoke?

But I wouldn't doubt that they have some stolen intellectual property though. Go sick 'em.


I didn't start this media topic, but if one wonders why things seem a little one sided

The bottom line is that only a fully empowered government law enforcement gency, or a department thereof, dedicated to fighting piracy in all parts of the music industry EQUALLY can have any effect.

Unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen soon...

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Good point! Maybe if they did, and had as much fun doing it as I do, tbey wouldn't be so serious all of the time.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Unlike you guys I actually did a little fact searching, which only took a couple of minutes to find, if you cared to look.

Don't lump me into the no fact check, my FOX statement was a joke, nothing more. I do not know nor care which political and news personalities are married. It's all corrupt IMO!

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Lon, your statement and Topher's, were both knocks on my post showing that you thought it was a farce or made up. Well it isn't, and still you don't think the connections matter. The media has real power in leading our great country in any direction it wants to or is paid to.