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It doesn't look real good at this moment and it will probably get much worse quite quickly. I would bet that Universal is better funded.

At this point, I don't really care because there is nothing I can do about that. Just like there is nothing I can do about the iRC channels or the hard drive sellers (both of which are doing essentially what you suggest). I am not going to spin my wheels concerning myself over what a karaoke manufacture (a defunct one mind you) did or didn't do. What I can do is impact the local pirates in my area so that is what I pay attention to.

I guess the day everyone here agrees we should all delete every track that has been deemed "illegal" I will care. But even the anti-SC / anti-CD folks aren't doing that.

So long as all of us kettles are calling each other colorful names, we are all on the same playing field.

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Just how are you as a single host going to impact the local karaoke pirates, once the legal processing manus stop suing Chris? You have no standing to sue the pirate hosts on your own. So just how much of an impact can you have practically speaking?

The entire industry seems to be plagued with lack of accounting oversight.

And I'm not speaking about just the karaoke manus.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... -more.html

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/ ... -royalties

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... lties.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-es ... ies-690395

I could go on for days, but I'm sure you all have Google and can search for yourselves..

Manu ABC secures a license for 1000 CD+Gs and prints 10,000? Who's to know..

Manu BCA buys in bulk from another country, and ships them in.. Who's to know..

As a retail buyer, I have no standing in the legal system to question the Manus about license or quantities produced..

Simple really..

Artists are also suing the streaming services like Pandora claiming their song gets played 10,000 times and they get paid very little for it.

This is very much like what I have always told my 3 daughters - You can never rely on or expect anyone else to ever take care of you because there is always a possibility they will abandon you. Make sure you can take care of yourself, by yourself.

I have taken on that same philosophy with my karaoke business. I make sure that *I* am doing the right things. I don't care about what those further up the chain are doing because I have no influence and can have very little impact with them.

If you notice what has taken place in the industry, it is those that aren't playing by the rules that ultimately pay the price. Whether that be a pirate KJ getting sued by Sound Choice, and a karaoke company going under because they were sued by a copyright holder. Do the right things, play by the rules, and you will survive and hopefully prosper.

Worry less about those you can't do anything about and you have a lot more free cycles to enjoy what you do for yourself.

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Talking about taking care of yourself Chris, what now happens to PR if DT is forced by it's legal problems out of business, like CB was? The reason for PR's existence was to work with DT wasn't it? They were to provide the legal muscle under the guise of recovery to encourage host's to subscribe to Cloud, wasn't that the plan? If there is no DT and no Cloud then what is PR's mission? Who are they trying to recover money for exactly, that to me was really never made clear? Now it will even be less clear with no sister company to work with.

I am sure there will still be someone who will be collecting money that is recovered.

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The "spinoff" company is not that. The companies that assumed assets from Worldwide Digital Entertainment are entirely new companies. Some of the employees for the former now work for DT but that is there it ends. There is no "parent" company to mimic and (in your hopes and dreams) "go out of business to avoid legal liabilities". DT does much more than produce karaoke tracks (you have no clue). But you don't care, you just want to wish the worst for them. The Chartbuster brand/Logo ownership is held in ownership (aside from DT) and managed by PRLLC to control the ongoing use of that active trademark (Chartbuster) from future misuse of already produced licensed works. Two new companies and two purposes. But it bears repeating, you really don't know anything about DT or the people that work there.

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That is what you say that they aren't spinoff companies. They only came into existence after the collapse of CB now it takes two companies or more to do one one company used to do. Really what they do doesn't really impact me anymore so there is no real reason to investigate them too closely, I will never have to deal with either of them. Sometimes life is good.

DT does much more than produce karaoke tracks (you have no clue). But you don't care, you just want to wish the worst for them.


I can personally vouch for that statement, I may be the only one on this site that knows a little about Digitrax as a model railroader. Digitrax would be hard pressed to bring to it's knees and out of business. They are one of the Pioneers in Model Rail Roading DCC or Digital Command Control, as we know it today, especially with decoders for "motion" installed in locomotives but also downloadable locomotive sounds for the industry. They made and are making their fortune in the Model Rail Road industry I'm sure no one is interested on here about Model RailRoading and DCC and it's very simple to explain, but a simple link would be more appropriate, after all this is a Karaoke site and simply put: It (Digitrax) ain't just music! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Command_Control

That is a different company. There are two different Digitrax entities.

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WWD (the spinoff company) is in business and manned by Norbert Stovall (does that name ring a bell?....maybe from a former company.....) they assumed and still hold the assets from CB (seem bizarre......?) including Big Mama Studios.

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No, you are not getting the correct information. PR LLc holds and controls the CB brand and Norbert is no where involved in that. As for WWD, it is not in anyway involved with PR LLC or Digitrax. The Stovalls are 100% out of the picture and there is nolonger a Big Mama's Studio in this or any surrounding town. Come down and see for yourself! They are out of the Karaoke business!!!

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

Really?
This looks like a current advertisement for Big Mama Studio, with Norbert Stovall, and Karaoke:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Mama-Studio ... 43c2043cb1
And this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... ink:top:en

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Yup, looks like they are still around. It is also my impression that N & D Stovall are still the folks at PR, and a son is/was THE guy at Worldwide Digital, while DT operated as a sister company (Hence, the permitted trade dress, replacing CB logos with DT's.)

When, if any, would the changes have happened?

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Nope!!!!!! Norbert has his own studio and he owns the name Big Mama but he is out of the karaoke business with CB or DT and that includes WWD. Also, the Stovalls are 0% not involved with PR LLC or with DT. The original Big Mama studio was liquidated by the investors but Norbert had a studio on his personal property that he has had before the Chartbuster Days and he was able to retain the name Big Mama. Sorry to pop you bubble! No karaoke connections with any Stovalls. Read the description and he even uses the word former CEO.

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No venue to big or too small. From your den to the local club or event, we have the music most requested. Great sounding system!

Nope!!!!!!!
Changing your statement with added qualifiers does not make your original statement correct.
Read the description he even uses the word Knoxville.

Read the description he even uses the word karaoke.


Math and English - 0% not involved = 100% involved
You probably didn't mean to say that either.
Sorry to pop your bubble!

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so this is nowhere near Knoxville?
Big Mama Productions
400 Ensley Drive
Knoxville, TN 37920

and this is a lie?
"your Session will be produced at Big Mama Recording Stuido in South Knoxville by RIAA Certified Producer Norbert Stovall ."

plus we covered last year that he is one of the principals in WWD.
http://karaokescene.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=28007
Timberlea, Insane, Chris, Mr Boo were all part of the thread so it's not me making this up.

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I have waited and watched to see if there was any proof that the CB break up was real and nothing more than a shell game. To date, nothing has changed my mind and has only reinforced my belief. It's strictly my belief and I encourage everyone to decide for themselves. The cost today is I simply do not do business with DT. If I did find that this was not a three headed Stovall shell game I might would change my mind.