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Or you could send the OP a private message or perhaps even pick up (or read on line) the magazine yourself and read the article, if you were truly interested in this. Just saying.

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LR, I understand your philosophy, it's not a crime unless you get caught and convicted. People like you is what's wrong with the world today. "It doesn't affect me so I don't care", "It's not really stealing", "Everyone else is doing it" and hundreds of other lame excuses. What you, and those with your philosophy, lack are ethics and morals.

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This is just so much hogwash tim, if this is really a crime it should be tried in criminal court, not civil. You have heard of due process haven't you tim? You have to be convicted of a crime not merely accused. You are a fine one talking about it not affecting you, you are up in Canada and not involved whatsoever in what is happening in the good old U.S.A. It is not really stealing because that is not what the suit is about. It is a civil matter by choice of the effected injured party. They are only seeking just compensation and not criminal penalties. You can't compare apples to oranges, nor use criminal examples to explain away civil complaints. I think you are the one with a philosophical problem not me. You are supposed to be in law enforcement there is a difference between criminal activity and civil legal process.

Many policemen believe that they are above the law because they feel that their brothers in blue will have their back if they get caught driving 90 MPH on a highway with a 55MPH speed limit. Cops don't give each other speeding tickets. All they ever seem to get is a wink and a smile.... but if you're a cop, you don't see anything wrong with that....until someone gets killed by that drunk policeman on his way home from the local bar.

Ah the typical deflecting responses from LR and Bruce. I'm not surprised.

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can you give me a link or place to read that Mobile Beat article? The owner of Mobile Beat Magazine is one of the Iowa D.J.s that has a legal Sound Choice gem set for his shows--so he knows all about this issue.

not trying to deflect anything at all, Tim. Corrupt law enforcement officers are a much greater threat to society than a pirate karaoke host will ever be. Your priorities are way out of whack.

Yes, they do. You are stealing. You are trying to explain away getting a companies product for nothing.



This is like saying it's the battered wife's fault for not turning in her husband. You are making lame excuses for being a thief.



None of this BS has anything to do with YOU stealing. Don't steal. It's wrong. It makes no difference whether you get caught or if there are court cases. You are STEALING. STOP STEALING FROM YOUR FELLOW MAN. Have you no dignity?



Yeah. That battered wife should have just kept her mouth shut.



Its classic deflection. What does a corrupt cop have to do with YOU STEALING. STOP STEALING!

How about a link to that article?--thanks

Bazza even in the case of the battered wife the police are powerless, unless the victim files criminal charges and follows through with prosecution of the guilty party. Unless SC is willing to file criminal charges against pirates there are no criminal penalties applied. It is SC's choice to go the civil suit route. Therefore all of this talk of stealing and everything that goes with it is meaningless. Even good old Jim will tell you the principal aim of the current legal process is not to place pirates in jail, but rather to recover money from them. So all of this talk of stealing is just inflammatory statements intended to excite, but not accurately describe what is actually going on, at least in a legal sense.

I don't feel I deflected anything I answered your post directly. Since you are in law enforcement tim, you do realize there is a difference between criminal and civil litigation, right? Criminal penalties do not attach in the SC legal process cases, they are civil matters, the use of criminal terms to describe how the matter is being handled legally is inaccurate. One company is suing another which happens everyday and is not meant to remedy criminal breeches of the law.

But you fail to realize that it can be both criminal and civil. Stealing is stealing and trying to say it's not because the civil route is taken doesn't make it less so. You keep trying to rationalize it but fail miserably.

Bruce there is corruption everywhere but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China.

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Both morality and rationalization are trumped by being practical. I think SC looked at it's options and realized the civil suits would meet their goals better than seeking criminal penalties tim. They are the injured party you and I can't file for them. Criminal theft is not being charged here and so does not in the real legal world really enter into the picture. It is what it is, a dispute between two companies, and the remedy is damages if they are warranted.

This has nothing to do with courts/police/charges/etc.

I am telling the husband to stop hitting his wife. I am telling you to stop stealing.

STOP STEALING. IT'S WRONG.

Jeez, how were you raised anyway? Did your parents steal too?

It has everything to do with courts/police/charges/etc. etc. etc. Bazza. There is a difference between morality and legality, it's all in the eye of the beholder. We are a nation that believes in the rule of law, most civilized nations do. It comes down to legal history that determines how the law is administered. You can tell me to do whatever you like, without the authority to stop my actions they usually continue. Just because you happen to think something is wrong, doesn't mean others agree with you. You have to have the force of law to back you as an individual, you can't enforce your morality on the majority unless the majority agrees that it is indeed a crime. I think I was raised right all of my family have a history of service to this country. Most were Veterans and fought to maintain our republic and it's constitution. Even SC itself is not saying this is about theft, it is about being compensated for their product period.

Tim Bazza by using your reasoning any type of piracy is a crime and morally disgusting. If EMI wins it's suit against SC or compels SC to settle out of court, will SC be viewed by you as a company that had pirated material in their library? Or will they be viewed merely as a company that had a legal dispute with another company and the matter has been resolved no foul? If it is the latter then why is their situation any different than any of the other hosts that settled with SC, the bulk of SC's legal victories?

Taking someones else's property without paying for it is theft. You don't have to convince anyone or get "the majority to agree" that your are stealing and committing a crime. You minimize what you are doing because it easy, you do it at home alone, and most likely wont get caught. But that doesnt make it right. Hackers steal money from credit cards & bank accounts from their homes far away. Is that OK too?



Doesn't sound like it to me, especially if you think stealing is just fine & dandy. I think your deceased veteran relatives would be disgusted that they fought so that you could steal things that aren't yours. I doubt they would be proud of your actions.

So. Seriously. Have you told your kids & grand kids that you steal music? If not, why not? Sounds like you aren't embarrassed.

Let’s hear it for the minority honest kj's. Yeah! Kudos to you, Mr. Ed g! I can honestly say I’m one of those that started during that timeframe. Lonman too & a few others here in the forums. I started with 12” Pioneer laser discs insanely priced at the time @ $150 each for 28 songs, down a bit in price a year or two later. Accumulated 90 pioneers + another 30 of nutechs nikkodo, megastars, superstars, then the karaoke dvd format, etc; set of dk’s (99 discs) for $2500, $30 for sc’s + tx/shipping, mm’s, lg’s all hits, chartbuster’s 12k song hdrive, you name it!

I’d be comfortable to say that I probably spent around $80 - $100k (give or take or more) on karaoke music in the span of over 20 yrs & still buying to date. Quoting the old adage “Gotta spend money to make money”!

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Bazza it is the victim that is minimizing the crime, SC is electing to sue in civil court rather than seek criminal charges and penalties. What is this about me stealing, since when I paid for all of my materials just like you did, except that I didn't license SC, I just boycotted them. Hackers have committed crimes and law enforcement does go after the criminals. When is the last time the DA went after a pirate host? What do you know about Veterans? Have you ever served in the armed forces, I have. If anyone as the right to question government it is the person who bled to maintain it. When the last time you shed a little blood in defense of your country? Don't be questioning others sacrifices until you have done a little sacrificing yourself. Oh by the way stealing isn't fine and dandy and I never said it was in any of my posts. If it is theft then it should be treated as a criminal matter and not civil, is all I'm saying. If it is going to be treated as a civil matter rather than criminal then all of this spin on your side is just that spin. Oh by the way cut the crap about me stealing if you don't have any proof of the crime you shouldn't be throwing charges around. What is it everyone that disagrees with you is a pirate and a criminal, don't make me laugh.

P.S. You never said how you are going to view SC if they lose the EMI case or settle out of court.