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Thanks Kuel. I will check it out.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

http://iCroons.com is where I source everything these days. I still look for great deals on bulk purchases and occasionally I look for the individual disc for a singer, but http://karaokeversion.com and http://karaokedownloads.ca supply just about everything I need.

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-Chris

Hey Rip, I can kinda understand the sentiment, but not the logic. I'd be sour on CB if I'd gotten stiffed too (I was lucky enough to have bought the right amount of credits and used them prior to the KJMP no longer being of use).

But what you're looking for is akin to prepaying your yard guy to cut your grass for a year, him dying a month later, somebody buying his equipment and you wanting the new guy to cut your yard for free the remainder of the year.

icroons still list absolutely no All Star product so www.allstarcustom.com is another source for newer music (although they haven't put anything out now since early April).

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wow! I did not know that till just now. I thought iCroons pretty much cover most if not all manus. Makes me wonder why - especially all star, also considered one of the active players within the circle. Probably gonna be even more active after the settled inter-company debacle.
Gonna have to include AS to my search from now on .

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Nice to hear from you again & to know you're doing well, RipM. congrats getting your first canadian gig. Welcome back (to the jungle)! (kidding on the close parenth.)

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Nope. I am pretty sure that Latshaw just gets a small cut for referrals. Search iCroons, click the links, buy from KV or KDCA, and Latshaw gets a penny.

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I can cut my own grass Tommy. Again, this would not cost them one cent, would show good will, would make me want to spend more money with them as well as tell everyone what a great company they are. I won't be telling anyone that. It just makes good business sense. I have nothing good to say about digitrax, right wrong or indifferent.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

I can see why Latshaw wouldn't want to get in on that action - even if it is just for the better of the database just to show what is out there, All Star already make pennies anyway otherwise they wouldn't sell the prepaid cards to sell tracks so cheap, they couldn't afford to give an extra penny for a link.
I never buy direct from the icroons link personally, just look up the song, then go to the seller direct. Would just be nice to have a database that is actually complete to see what is available. Sites like Music Book Deluxe have everything except stuff like Karaoke Version that is download only. So even their database is incomplete in that respect.

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I really really really tired to follow you train of though but failed. Why would a company that NEVER sold you the credits nor did they receive revenue from the sale of those credits be obligated to honor you credits (or mine for that fact). And, yes it would cost them money since they would be giving you something (digital media that is of value to them) from their inventory that has been paid for (by them) and licensed to them and not CB. They are not the same company. That would be like me requesting the new (with and entirely new operator/owner) local auto garage that had reopened in the location from a previous garage whare I had purchased a gift certificate (old owner) and being mad that the new garage operator (new owner and new name) in that original location refusing to honor the gift certificate which they (new owner) never sold to me. Now I could understand if the owners of old auto shop and new auto shop were the same and they just closed and then reopened to avoid debt, then yes I'd have a good right to be mad. (yes it happened once and I threatened to sue and they honored the certificate). DT and CB, not the same company (entirely different ownership) and not even in the same location. Sorry you are going to hold a grudge against a good company trying to make heads or tails of the ever changing digital landscape.

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I understand Ripmans thought process completely. Usually when 1 company buys another company they buy both the assets and the debt. Now I did say usually, and of course it would require the purchasing company to be a "reputable company".
I, too, would never do business with a company or the new company that purchased the old company if I felt I was ripped off and having what happened to Ripman happen to me would cause me to feel ripped off.
Trust me, I have seen a lot of companies that have been sold where the purchasing company honors previous "active" commitments, like I said they buy both the assets and the debt.

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I'm not asking for hours and hours and hours of free labor that would cost the company money. Free oil changes cost the company money, both for the oil and the money that has to be paid to the mechanic. Not comparing apples to oranges. And let's not forget that although dt may not be cb, they have a lot of the same components. Including the person who told me they couldn't help me out.

So they can be stubborn and not show me good will, all it means is they will never make money of me. If you want to call that a grudge Rumbolt, so be it. I AM holding a grudge. It's my prerogative and I'm sure my business won't suffer from it. I'm not all that happy of a camper with karaokeware either, when a product is sold with two businesses are involved and one "goes out of business" the other should still be able to help you out.

So here I am with a shiny, pretty, black hard drive that I need to figure out how to get value out of.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

This is total bunk. And I mean TOTAL bunk. When the "sale" occurred, Digitrax went after all customers of Chartbuster that still owed money on drives they purchased from Chartbuster. As a matter of fact, there is an entire thread here devoted to this very issue. The originator of the thread, darbykplace, had purchased a drive from Chartbuster, and when the library was sold to Digitrax, they demanded that darbykplace pay the remaining balance.

Why is it that when someone owed Chartbuster money, the Cheerleaders said that he must pay his debt to Digitrax, because they owned the library and were entitled to the proceeds, and now, when someone was owed credits from Chartbuster, you guys are saying that that Digitrax owes Ripman nothing, because it's an entirely separate company?

If you'd like to revisit the thread, you can find it here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24952

So why exactly is it that you can defend Digitrax when they demand to take money from a Charterbuster sale, but not honor the credits purchased from a Chartbuster sale? Oh, because it's a manufacturer (snicker), and they must be right. Right? Never mind that Gretchen from Digitrax is the same Gretchen from Chartbuster. You know that company that went out of business just in time so they wouldn't have pay that hefty $1,200,000 Judgment (I think that was the amount). Very convenient, don't you think?

Yep. Bunk.

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My bet that the case you linked back to was part of an asset that Digitrax obtained in the sale but choose not to assume the liabilities (credits for KJMD). Many company sales are often done that way and debt is left in the possession of the seller as possible in this case CB. But , we will never know the real terms of the sale will we. All you can do is assume and frankly I don't care. I will move forward and continue to do business with DT and profit from their product.

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I just have a quick question to all of you. When you are good at something and have been in the same line of work for over 20 years, you get laid off, wouldn't you search for a job in the same field?

If I hadn't applied to DTE and been hired, don't you think that I would be applying to other manufacturers?

I am not trying to be snippy at all just before you think of a big conspiracy try to think. I have been involved in the Karaoke business for over 20 years. My resume speaks for itself. If I hadn't applied for DTE you might have seen me with another Manu or even hosting again! I love this industry and will continue to be in it any way that I can!!!

I seem to remember Lee Iacoco going from Ford to Chrysler. Most people who like what they do will usually get employment in their field whether it be policnig, automotive, medical, and *gasp* even karaoke and music.

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What is bunk is the claim that the cheerleaders told darbykplace that he "must" pay. Opinions were offered and congratulations were made for having some integrity, but none of the cheerleaders demanded, insisted or chastised that poster.

It was "he who shall not be named" that attempted to steer the poster toward not paying. Then muddled up the conversation with a bunch of FUD essentially demonstrating where many of us believe his integrity and values lie.

If the poster did what he said he did in the thread, then he made a good faith effort to follow through on an agreement. THAT was the right thing to do by anyone's standards.

I would be interested in seeing the fine print of the usage and service agreement for the KJMP drives. I imagine there is a clause in there stating something to the effect of "we may terminate this service without notification". Even if there isn't, I don't see anyone filing suit for breach of contract.

Finally, I believe the KJMP service was actually managed by a separate entity anyway. There is probably fine print about that as well. Even if Digitrax wanted to honor the drives (which, by they way, is silly since it competes directly with their cloud model), they would have to negotiate with that 3rd party service provider to continue to provide functionality. There are also the agreements between Chartbuster and the KJMP service provider to consider.

In short, it isn't as clear cut as anyone would like it to be.

My personal feeling is that Digitrax could have managed the transition better and still could do several things differently. I know of many people that won't do business with them (including myself) because of how the cloud service licensing works and the somewhat "cloudy" relationship with Chartbuster. But there isn't anything beneficial that will come from stomping my feet and throwing tantrums about it in a public forum.

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But it's so much FUN!!!!

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Ok, that's twice you lost me.

1) You offered a tour of the studios and facilities, but no one ever posted any doubts regarding their existence.

2) Comments regarding common personnel were in regard to the [iPRINCIPALS][/i] and upper management, not customer service folks- unless you are an officer, which would have been unknown until now.. No one has questioned the reason why YOU are employed there, becase as you stated, it was the next logical step for you...

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