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well, that is good to hear. if they say it's ok, that is good enough for me. download away.....now if i could not have to buy a minimum of 4 tracks.........
i know......picky

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Thank you Paradigm Karaoke - that's STILL better than having to buy a 15-song disc with 2 songs you want.

ain't that the truth

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

I'm waiting for Joe to chime in on this.

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This is posted right on thier website under FAQ

Q: I am a karaoke host. Can i use the downloads for my local karaoke show or are they for home use only? (Downloads)
A: The "Right to Use" applies to downloads of All Star Karaoke just as it would to a physical CDG purchase. And, just as a CDG purchase is required for each instance being used for your karaoke business, a download purchase is required just the same.

Basically, if you have multiple people working at different venues, then you will need ONE purchased copy for each.

Note: It is also the responsibility of the venue or KJ to pay performance royalties to the Performance Rights Organizations such as ASCAP, BMI and SESAC


So between your e-mail response and what they post right on thier site looks to me like your in the clear.

That's what I said a few posts ago and had a flock of seagulls flying around my head...

i ran so far awaaaayyy.......

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

when i checked they website that question/answer was not on their..

that's why i asked them. and that's exactly how i phrased my question to them.
so i'm thinking they posted my question on their website.

i'm famous now... oh wait their's no name associated with question..
no one here will believe me....

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It's all good!

I thought the wording was the same from your e-mail.

Would someone please show me any licensing given by any publisher/owner ( the only ones who can grant it) plus all the other requirements ( sync rights, commercial rights, digital rights, promotional rights, shifting rights, etc., etc., etc....) that would cover the use of downloads in a U.S. Based karaoke show?

Toto, we're not in the U.K. anymore....

Unless and until I see a draft of such licensing in existence in the U.S., I'd say pass....

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Would someone please show me any licensing given by any publisher/owner ( the only ones who can grant it) plus all the other reqirements ( sync rights, commercial rights, digital rights, promotional rights, shifting rights, etc., etc., etc....) that would cover the use of disks in a U.S. Based karaoke show?

Toto, we're not in the U.K. anymore....

Unless and until I see a draft of such licensing in existence in the U.S., I'd say pass....[/quote]

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Excellent catch, Paradigm- and I don't actually disagree with you. Technically, NO karaoke is completely licensed, and if the owner/publishers wanted to, they could - at the very least- do a "cease & desist". They PROBABLY won't because A) karaoke adds to the popularity of their releases, and B) the market just isn't big enough to damage the likes of say, Sony.

However, if they DID, the DISC BASED host isn't liable for damages- that responsibility ( and all licensing) falls onto the disc producer. The DOWNLOAD based KJ - (not owning hard media produced at the factory) is responsible for all licensing and damages.

Will the big guys ever come after the downloader/card copier? Probably not, at least not right now. Small potatos. They HAVE gone after karaoke producers though.

The thing is, being a Karaoke Host is a BUSINESS. Running a business properly includes limiting liability, just in case.

A great general once said " Do not plan on what the adversary MIGHT do, but rather plan on what they are CAPABLE of doing."

The big guys probably won't cause problems, but they can. A disc based host (or disc owning host) has limited his liability to a "cease & desist"- TOPS. KJs who use unlicensed DOWNLOADS are open and liable to any lawsuits that may arise- which is why the karaoke producers love them. It takes them off the hook.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I fail to see the difference between a producer supplying a disc of tracks versus said producer supplying the same content as downloads (and publicly stating on their web site that the download is legal). In either case ultimately the producer (supplier) is the liable entity.

that is my feeling too. nowhere is there anything that shifts the liability to the host if it is purchased on download instead of disc.

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Paradigm Karaoke, The New Standard.......Shift Happens

Exactly.

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At the risk of repetition- wrong.

A download is- from the first- subject to the skills and equipment of the uploader, through whatever transmission media is available. Once uploaded, the download takes place- also through whatever transmission media is available- to what is usually consumer ( non-professional) equipment such as a laptop, with the skills of an amateur, with absolutely no mfr. quality control involved.. It has been altered through transmission, equipment and expertise or lack thereof. This can no longer be claimed as the original mfrs. product. An original mfrs. product is that which has been produced on hard media under the quality control, auspices, and licensing of the mfr. Therefore, it is a copy/creation of the end user. As such, the end user is responsible for all licensing and liability of said track.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Uh oh! I had better cancel my NetFlix subscription for my PS3 lest be subject to lawsuit!

No, it's you're wrong Joe C...

The media that is purchased via download is still the manufacturers' product and therefore any liability for licensing lies with them.

Does your Coca-Cola come from a fountain? a can? a plastic bottle? a glass bottle? How was it delivered to you? Did someone pour it for you? Did you buy it at the store? Is it the right temerature? Was it always kept cold? Was it served warm? Ice? Cubed or crushed?

After all that is it still Coca-Cola? You bet. The use for a beverage is to drink it. The delivery method is irrelevant. You seem to be making up the rules as you go along. There is no way that I absolve the producer of a karaoke track from their licensing obligations by downloading it. The use of a digital track purchased on-line is to play karaoke. I have a receipt and and a file that I paid for. I did not create the downloaded file. The purpose of the track is to be played for karaoke entertainment. The delivery method is irrelevant.

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Never the same show twice!

This is wrong on so many levels, I just don't know where to start.



Exactly. And if someone serves that Coca-Cola in a Pepsi glass...it's still Coca-Cola.

Ditch the plastic.