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Guarantee an mp3 ripped good going through a good quality 'pro' sound card, you wouldn't be able to hear any audible difference.
When I first got my computer I did back & forth tests with our audience with the song (just the music) playing, same passages in an A/B comparison. Only did a few songs, but 13 of 15 people actually picked the computer as sounding better the other two said they were just guessing because they really couldn't tell. All eq settings on the mixer were identical.

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I would disagree and state that if the investigator disappears with the evidence, that would constitute a hefty "investigational error."

Interesting.... you know, at my wife's law firm, they only use licensed and bonded investigators. It appears on the surface as though this investigator was neither. I guess you get the kind of service that is equal to the price you're willing to pay for and the necessity of the evidence gathered.

Where do you come up with kind of trolling crapola?....

If you really want to "analyze this case" then start with the investigation itself. It appears there really wasn't much of one.

How often does an "expert" or "investigator" disappear with the evidence? What's in it for them if they do?

Oh and I forgot the most important part of the case. This case dealt with a hard drive sold to a host who used it. This has nothing to do with the KJ who used it. Now whether this host was sued or not I don't know. Regardless what has happened in this case has nothing to do with hosts who use computers.

There is no indication if an investigator was used. The witnesses are two former empoyees and an purposed expert whose expertize isn't noted. An expert, in the realm of the courts is someone who has a vast knowledge with the credentials behind them of a particluar area of specialization, to be able to render OPINION testimony. Being an expert does not mean they are an investigator.

As for "disappearing" as you call it, people move or get transferred all the time. And what evidence disappeared?

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+1 Tim..

Right. I was under the impression that it was to do something about hard drive sellers.... Apparently, they couldn't find any.


Thats EXACTLY what I call it. Perhaps you should be asking Harrington these questions:


Not "witness disappeared", not "expert disappeard" either.

You know, the investigator might just be hiding in Canada....

I think we should put timberlea on the case......

Sorry Lon, but no such thing can be "guaranteed". A little over 15% of the genpop have hearing that exceeds the norm in either the higher or lower ranges. This is where the loss of quality is most notable.

I'm the first to admit that my mid-range is starting to go, but BOTH my upper and lower ranges are superior.

People with exceptional low range will hear MP3s as somewhat tinny, and with very little kick.

People in with exceptional high range will note a lack of richness , with a kind of flat delivery.

To people with both they just sound like crap.

I know you are technically proficient, so I would ask you to try another kind of test:

Do a comparison on a scope. You will see ( rather than hear) all of the lost audio information, the random compressions, drop-outs, and frequency shifts..

The greatest sound mixing skills in the world can only enhance what is there to BE enhanced.

All of this being said, I fully agree that most people ( especially those who have had most of their music exposure limited to MP3 anyway) will never notice the difference, especially in a loud and crowded venue.

The thing for me is:

I specialize in higher end restaurant bars. These are quieter than most big clubs and party bars, many with excellent accoustics. Much of the clientele did not nurse from the MP3 nipple, notice the difference, and love it.

I might also add that I have to work with the music, and I simply don't want to listen to anything I find unpleasant.

As stated on another thread, if the mfrs. produced pre-shifted music in .WAV or better form on hard media for direct transfer, I MIGHT make the switch to PC.

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Then i'd be willing to bet that YOU wouldn't be able to tell the difference on my system!

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Is it that time of the year again? Excellent.




A statistic you often thrown around that you have never shown a source for. I would like to see this study please.

"72.3% of all statistics are invented on the spot" - Bazza



And buying Monster cable or $100 electrical plugs will make your music sound better. Myth, Legend & Lore.

I am sure you have some audiological reports backing these claims?

IF these were 96kbps or 128kbps files encoded 10 years ago, I would agree with you. But as I have often said to you in these discussion the MP3's of 1990 are NOT the same as the MP3's of today. Encoders have improved dramatically and a 256kbs or better MP3 file is going to be indistinguishable from a CD to anyone but those listening in a highly controlled environment. And even then it's a maybe.



But people do not listen to music on a scope. Put the purest water under an electron microscope and you will see bacteria. Does this mean the water will taste funny or is dangerous or sub-standard? No.



Well it's about time you came around on this! Good to see you aren't that set in your way. I have always said that MAYBE in a studio you might be able to hear slight differences, but outside of a controlled environment, nobody, not even you, would be able to tell the difference.

And certainly not karaoke music, often through processing, with patrons singing, over a PA system, in a crowded bar. Which is, after all, why we are here. PA systems are not audiophile quality systems by a long shot.



They "notice the difference" because, no doubt, you tell them there is a difference. Just as some people believe that a $150 bottle of win tastes better than a $45 bottle. Restaurants are not anechoic chambers.



I would like to know what you are going to do when you can no longer buy a karaoke CD...a day that is rapidly approaching. Buy digital files and burn them? Or just quit?

In the words of the master:



Could it be that Joe taught him everything he knows?

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Well, maybe not YOURS, Lon, but anyone else's...

Bazza: I thank you for your input. I believe most of it to be incorrect, but I thank you for it.

BTW: A Karaoke Host doesn't tell the patrons that he sounds great- they tell HIM. That's how it works...

Mickey: How did a quote about $100 cable connectors get mixed in with mine?

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I never commented on the subject. You never attributed the quote to anyone, but whoever it was, it wasn't me.

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Joe, you are welcome at my shows anytime.

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And you are welcome, even if you choose to ignore facts. I should have realized that CD's are your religion and religions are faith based...

I can assume you have no data to back up your stats then?

I think his scatometer is on the fritz....

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And that's all well and good. I think someone should start a thread named "what sounds better to you?" and do make sure that you use some appropriate facts gleaned from the output of a brand-new spectrum analyzer.

In the meantime, this thread is about the recent failure of the manufacturer to secure a successful lawsuit against a single hard drive seller.

I understand that the plaintiff, legal counsel, and those cheerleaders would prefer to see it simply brushed under the rug under some other subject such as what sounds better a disk or an MP3. I have also noticed that there has been absolutely no mention of this lawsuit on rumbolt's "forum of truth" although InsaneKJ continually takes screen snapshots from this forum and is still posting them actively on the other forum– Against the re-posting policy put in place there just a few weeks ago. Apparently, there just isn't enough to talk about theirs so the easiest thing to do is to harvest from this forum.

So let's get back on track here: do you believe this manufacturer is really out to stop hard drive sellers, or was this simply a charade?

The intent of the suit was to stop a hard drive seller (my opinion). The judges decision is just his decision and if the case has merit then it will be appealed and proceed throught the judicial process. The case is not dead. You asked.

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Saved by the bell again Joe. Funny how that always happens when the heat turns up......

Thank you, Rip- and I'd love to meet you! . I would gladly come, as your posts tell me you've probably hired a helluva host! Maybe this coming summer, if I'm lucky enough!

As posted for another: You would be surprised at how many of those who heatedly disagree with me on the forum have become friends in real life.

CHIP: Sorry for the hijack... In answer to your question:

I would not describe it as a "charade". This company is going after anybody and anyone they think that they can get money from for minimum cost to themselves in time or money- regardless of the legal merits of a case. If said target is an HD seller- so be it.


BAZZA: Same time next year?

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It turned out to be a charade.

SC started talking to Lawyers and, what is happening now, is what it morphed into.

Suing some HD seller who hides money or spends it as fast as it is received would only result in throwing good money after bad...might get a conviction but that doesn't translate to recovered money.

Why not go after someone who, actually, purports to have an established business with something to lose.