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I'd like to point out that the act of file sharing is illegal. There is no allowance for whether the files are corrupt or not. Once they upload the files from their computer, they have participated in the crime.

I didn't say virus, just scrambled lyrics rendering the karaoke track as unuseable. I am off the virus train.

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What if the manus did the uploading, after-all it is ther creation, right?

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I think it would probably not be in the best interest of Soundchoice or any other manufacturer to intentionally diminsh the value of their trademark by releasing anything for free on a pirate site. And if someone else acts on their behalf, it would be in the manufacturer's best intest to take legal action to stop and/or prevent it if they don't want to risk losing their trademark protection through abandonment.

I suspect a case for trademark abandonment could already be advanced based on the lackluster efforts being made to actually put a stop to the distribution in favor of milking the end user. Allowing or encouraging further distribution of their trademark in such a way would probably just complicate matters.

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In summery:
Dont screw with maus product.
Don't up load altered song tracks to torrentt sites.
Don't encourage others to do it.
Don't .......
Ah, hell,
For me case closed, resume discussion amoungst yourselves on this thread.

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In my opinion, it may barely be actionable by the music owners/publishers. However, I think it would be just plain business suicide for a mfr. to put out low quality / defective product at all- wouldn't you?

PLEASE NOTE: Though I may agree with a lot of what Chip has posted, I did not, in my OP, mention the forum on which I found this statement, the person who posted it, or what brands were involved.

I merely wanted to get opinions on a question for which I had no answer- I wasn't trying to discredit any forum, brand, or person. Just non-biased opinion.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

Ok, I like to think that I have lived a full life, but I may be mistaken:

What the hell is a "swirly"?

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While I agree that file sharing is illegal, my question was whether the illegality of deliberately corrupting files and then uploading with misrepresentation of factory originality is negated simply because it was done on a P2P site.

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Since you're closer:

#1. Drive to Timberlea's show
#2. Grab him by the heels and hang him over a toilet bowl
#3. "Dip N' Flush" simutaneously.
#4. Note resulting hair style..... "a swirly"

What's this Chip, you trying to get Joe to do your dirty work? But then again it doesn't surprise me.

And if Joe were to come to any of our shows he would have a great time and I would introduce him to some excellent Canadian and Halifax beers and ales.

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It's all about education timberlea... as you know, Joe doesn't know what a swirly is... and in the interest of education - because we can all learn valuable lessons even at your age - Joe is located so much closer to you than I, my innocent suggestion was simply that Joe get some "hands on learning."

I just couldn't think of a more qualified person to help with this valuable learning experience than you. Besides, he would be there and you could have those Canadian beers together.... two birds with one stone.


I know that he would and a great time would be had by all, so what's the problem with a little 5-minute swirly amongst friends?

Besides, the resulting video would have a million hits on YouTube in no time flat rendering you an overnight sensation.

I'm simply doing my part to further education and make you a worldwide star.... and this is the thanks I get?

So counselling to commit assault is friendly is it? C'mon be a man, do it yourself.

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This is nothing of the sort. It's simply and educational endeavor for the benefit of a fellow KJ and colleague. I'd even buy the beer so it's not like I'm unwilling to do my part. I'm surprised that you are so unwilling to take a few minutes out of your schedule in the name of education.

tsk, tsk..

Regardless of the intent, this is a felony. ESPECIALLY since the stated intent is to embed a virus in the files. I've reported it to the DoJ's Computer crime section and the company who's tracks are being mangled and used for this. Hopefully they'll take action against the people doing this and encouraging it.

Yet an another confirmation that an ethics are foreign to most KJs, no matter how "legit" they are.

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Rumbolt the manus themselves could not do this or have any direct knowledge or encourage anyone to do this period. File sharing in itself is illegal period. Karaoke files have been "basterised" and even had viruses and porn inserted for years now. My personal ethics prevent me from taking part in this type of activity but I feel that if a pirate downloads tracks that negativity effect them in any way the karma is well deserved.

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So it's OK to do something illegal to stop something illegal? Wow, some of you folks need to read the laws in this country. Or does the ends justify the means? Amazing.

After reading these posts I can say that vigilante justice never is right. This will play itself out and possibly not to the liking of SC. After cruising the web on this subject it appears SC is suffering slow sales not from piracy but from a boycott of their products because of this insane witch hunt. Because they are trying to punish the establishments along with the kj's a lot of them are now hiring karaoke bands and avoiding the hassles, as they are covered by entertainment taxes. Maybe if there was a karaoke entertainment tax that went to the CDG producers, this Gestapo fiasco would end on a peaceful note. One other thing, I heard that not only is SC not satisfied with you owning the disc but wants you to produce certificate of authenticity for each song you have. I feel in the end SC will be their own undoing.

On this thread I have to agree with rickgood.

OK, first, screw the "swirly". I thank Chip for explaining it, but also know that despite differences of opinion regarding SC's junk, Timberlea would be a fine host and make sure I had a great time.

Folks, you really have to stop thinking of the SC crap as real life personality clashes..

At least for me, I think in terms of a simple internet forum filled with friendly starangers discussing a compny that's really been out of the karaoke pruduction business for years. We can argue and debate, but geeez, it's a freakin' internet forum....

Moon, I would agree that your opinion makes sense as stated, but I never mentioned anything about a virus... Where'd that come from?

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Athena, while I agree that pirates deserve what they get- as stated in my OP, my question was whether misrepresenting altered tracks as factory originals was actionable.

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