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If you wanted to state that you intend to remain disc-based, Cue, then that is fine. I was responding as if MTN. were saying to all of us that that the statement would say we were going to remain disc-based and would not be seeking permission to shift. I didn't think that should be a part of a general affidavit for all of us as some may decide to switch in the future.

We are disc-based and will probably stay that way until things get sorted out a bit more and standardized. But I also see the format as being less supported in the future plus it may be difficult to be competitive staying disc with more song-on-demand options being released. So I didn't see why all disc hosts would want to sign something that said they "would not seek permission to make digital copies."

Oops... Sorry about that. I had posted something in a different thread, where I stated I had no intention of Format Shifting, and I thought you were addressing me with the comment about it being confusing.

Yeah, it is all a bit confusing--I do remember that was on the other thread that inspired this one--hard to keep track of where one is, these days.

Maybe I should clarify...

A disc based host/KJ would create the affidavit to inform the mfr of their intention to remain disc-based and procure an acknowledgement/endorsement of that fact, in effect - registering their discs.

If, at any time, the host/KJ decides to change format and begin to produce shows that are digital copy based, they would merely have to seek the appropriate permissions and as a condition of that permission they would undergo an audit and we're back to the difference between a disc based and a digital copy (1:1) based production.

The whole point of this idea is to give the disc based host/KJ the same consideration and overt placement of the information that says if your karaoke entertainment service is running from original CD+G's they are GOLDEN!

So really, you're stating that you don't intend to copy their trademark without their permission and if you decide to, you'll seek and obtain their permission. It's okay if you change your mind in the future as long as you play by the rules.

I really don't see this costing anyone any significant amount of $$. The mfr's can post a list easily and even print numbered certs that acknowledge/endorse the disc based KJ so that they are on at least - even - ground going in...

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Wouldn't be a lot of time and trouble to create the affidavit, if the host wanted to use the SC product or any for that matter wouldn't be easier just to pay up the manu and have the audit? That is the whole point without any significant amount of money changing hands what would be the motivation for the manu to agree to this whole process?

Okay... once again, you are not comprehending the initial motivation behind this thread.

This concept is about how to address DISC BASED host/kj's like... YOU? You don't need the audit if you are not going to produce a show based on digital copies of mfr's original CD+G's. You do not need the audit's accompanying permission(s) because you are working within the scope of the rights already granted when you made the purchase (or otherwise acquired) of those original discs.

The manufacturer benefits from this by narrowing the field. If the disc based host/kj agrees not to use digital copies to produce a show and goes on record (with the affidavit), then the mfr, can focus more attention on others. To acknowledge receipt of the affidavit and issue a certificate of endorsement, is a win, win for both the DISC BASED host/kj and the mfr. You might not be able to convince an mfr that this is good, but I've already had conversations with the owners of "the big 3" regarding the matter and I believe they find merit in the idea.

The motivation is to support hosts that support the industry by playing fair.

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Okay... once again, you are not comprehending the initial motivation behind this thread.

This concept is about how to address DISC BASED host/kj's like... YOU? You don't need the audit if you are not going to produce a show based on digital copies of mfr's original CD+G's. You do not need the audit's accompanying permission(s) because you are working within the scope of the rights already granted when you made the purchase (or otherwise acquired) of those original discs.

You don't need an audit if you don't use the product either.

That is not what this thread is about. Give it a rest.

This thread is about those who continue to use original mfr's discs to run their shows and how to give them the same standing as digital copy based hosts who have sought and received permission to use those copies.

I believe it is foolish to spend money on a product and then stop using it based on fear.

If you've purchased Sound Choice CD+G's and you have not copied them for use in producing a show... then YOU ARE GOLDEN.

Don't copy them. Create a list of the discs that you have in your possession, authenticate and notarize that list. Send it to the mfr whom you wish to obtain acknowledgement/endorsement from.

You have to determine if the issue being discussed on this thread has any relevance to you.
Comprehend much?

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Rinse, repeat.....

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What MTNKaraoke is stating is exactly the path that Priddis is taking with their product in regards to format shifting. Why shouldn't it be good for disc based shows?

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i know Priddis is still around, but (to shift gears quickly) they have gotten out of karaoke all together haven't they? everything i find for them on their site is only backing tracks with no lyrics. am i looking in the wrong place? their stuff was mostly top notch.

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I contacted them and they stated that if you send us a letter stating what discs you have and your intention to only play off of one hd then you may have permission to use them in your computer.

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That is a very resonable approach to seeking and giving permission to copy content to a hard drive and play it in a show.

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About two years ago the little shop that I used to buy my discs at, had huge boxes of Priddis they were selling for 5.99 a disc and I purchased some. I recall the president of the company stating that they could no longer afford to make new product. They must have gone the way of Music Maestro, Panorama, Monster Hits etc., the only difference is I do believe as Danny mentioned they paid their licensing fees.

Priddis (out of Utah) was always very reasonable. They were good guys when they were in the karaoke business.

Hate to burst anyone's bubble but it seems that all manufacturers have had their trouble with licensing of their songs, including Priddis.

Salt Lake City, UT: (Mar-25-08) EMI Music Publishing had brought a lawsuit against Priddis Music Inc., based in Salt Lake City, and Rick Priddis, the president of the company, alleging that they did not have the proper licenses for their karaoke products. Sources close to the case stated that the two companies had resolved the lawsuit by entering into a settlement agreement. The settlement came after Priddis Music and Rick Priddis acknowledged that a certain type of license is needed for some karaoke products it sold. Spokespersons on both sides stated that the terms of the settlement were not being disclosed. [DESERET MORNING NEWS: SETTLEMENT REACHED IN SALT LAKE CASE INVOLVING KARAOKE LICENSING]

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That's what I like about you Danny you are my little ray of sunshine.

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What would keep the mfrs from demanding an audit of the discs anyway? They would claim this is neccesary because they would want to know that no burned copies were being used.

This, of course would also mean that they would like to audit again in the future. Since they now CHARGE for audits (when they should be PAYING the KJ for their time), THIS would be their motivation- income from another source (Disc based hosts). THAT is why they say it has merit.

" The motivation is to support hosts that support the industry by playing fair"

Seriously? Certainly not for Sound Choice. They are no longer IN the industry, and haven't been for some time. They have also clearly stated that their ONLY interest is recouping losses. Supporting KJs? Since they are willing to "recoup" from any host, rather than those proven to be pirates alone, I'd have to disagree.

Now, if you meant the REAL big three (or four), then you meant Chartbuster, Stellar, and Pocket Songs, as well as possibly SyberSound. However, even excluding SC, I would still be of the opinion that their concern would be added income rather than anything else, when the they should be paying the honest hosts.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

yeah, i agree that SC is no longer an actual player in the game. and it is all about money, at least he has stated as such.

something neat i saw on priddis that would be of interest and was mentioned a while ago, if you click on a song you get 2 images, one is like a cd cover, and the other is a scan of the license for that particular song.

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