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Lonman
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Most of us were just saying it will yield better results quality wise to rip them yourself. Others just have to turn every thread into another discussion of overhashed debate (if that is what it can even be called).
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johnny reverb
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kjathena wrote: defiantly rip-um yourself it now takes much less time than 5 years ago and you can control the quality. Would not recommend supporting a pirate site and if you download them you change viruses and porn inserted in the files( HAHA saw a pirate fired recently because porn came up in the middle of a song.....wonder how many people are filling these downloads with viruses and porn what a great idea  ) That was my show.....  everybody stopped singing, and the place went dead silent. All eyes glued on the big screen over the singer's head, as two men, and two women did things I didn't even know were possible. After about 5 minutes of watching, clothes started flying everywhere, and the whole show turned into one big orgy. Three minutes later we were all back to singing......  ps.....burn your own, you'll be glad you did.....jr
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johnny reverb
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Lonman wrote: Most of us were just saying it will yield better results quality wise to rip them yourself. Others just have to turn every thread into another discussion of overhashed debate (if that is what it can even be called). LIKE........
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DannyG2006
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red_idol wrote: Hey Everyone! Thanks for all the posts. I think it has been about 24 hours since I posted and at least 18 posts appeared. It sounds like everyone is saying that the all mighty and Omni Present Sound Choice is out to do harm to those who wish to do it harm, even if unintentional. So I don't want to cause problems for myself. I will just continue to buy disks and rip them onto my own hard drive after I get permission from sound choice and the like. But I am not sure you or I know what we are talking about... especially you! This is part 2 of sound choices Gem Series Liscensing.OWNERSHIP. You acknowledge and agree that the ownership of all Media, including all right, title, and interest therein, belongs to Sound Choice and will remain with Sound Choice throughout the term of this Agreement. You also acknowledge that all rights in the Media and the Content not specifically granted to you by operation of law or expressly granted through this Agreement are reserved to Sound Choice or to third parties, as applicable. You further acknowledge and agree that the ownership of all Content—including the entire right, title, and interest therein, including copyrights, trademarks, and other intellectual property rights—belongs to Sound Choice or the respective rights holders of the Content. In particular, copyright in the underlying musical works (the composition rights) belongs to the original authors or their assignees and are reserved to them. This Agreement does not grant you any rights with respect to those copyright holders.  We are unable to grant you any particular license or resolve any claim on behalf of those copyright holders or any other third party. You are responsible for obtaining any necessary licenses or permissions prior to any public performance of the underlying musical works.Does this mean that by purchasing sound choice products, that not only do we not own the product we purchased but we have no right to play publicly unless we get the written permission for each individual song from the respected liscensing companies?? Does this mean that perhaps sound choice will "Allow" us to play to play their music with no repercussions from SOUND CHOICE... but THEY CAN'T allow us to play without possibly getting in trouble from BMI, RIAA, ASCAP or anyone else? Just wondering... The red is only applicable to the GEM series. All other SC products are if it's in your possession and you paid for it or got it as a gift, then it's yours.
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kjathena
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Red_idol you always have to insure your venues have paid BMI,ASCAP ect to protect yourself from them taking any action (we tried for years to get a mobile licence from them directly...they will not issue one). This has nothing to do with SC CB or any other manu...it is just part of the job as a KJ or DJ.
The same as business licences for your state/ counties/cities depending on the rules in your state...or insurance to protect your interests. (not sure of the rules for C.A) but federal rules apply everywhere in the U.S.A.
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red_idol
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kjathena wrote: Red_idol you always have to insure your venues have paid BMI,ASCAP ect to protect yourself from them taking any action (we tried for years to get a mobile licence from them directly...they will not issue one). This has nothing to do with SC CB or any other manu...it is just part of the job as a KJ or DJ.
The same as business licences for your state/ counties/cities depending on the rules in your state...or insurance to protect your interests. (not sure of the rules for C.A) but federal rules apply everywhere in the U.S.A. I called Ascap and talked to a lady there that said that if the venue is already paying for a jukebox or a tv contract, that they are also covered to have karaoke and dj. Does this sound inaccurate? Also they said that if the venue isnt paying the fees they are the one to get into trouble? Sound wrong? I dont know. I have done some research but I think there is no right answer. if they wanna get you they will i always say!
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red_idol wrote: Hey Everyone! Thanks for all the posts. I think it has been about 24 hours since I posted and at least 18 posts appeared. It sounds like everyone is saying that the all mighty and Omni Present Sound Choice is out to do harm to those who wish to do it harm, even if unintentional. So I don't want to cause problems for myself. I will just continue to buy disks and rip them onto my own hard drive after I get permission from sound choice and the like. "Permission" as you say will cost you $125.00 from Sound Choice and $199.00 per-year from Chartbuster... red_idol wrote: But I am not sure you or I know what we are talking about... especially you! (Gem License quote snipped for space) Does this mean that by purchasing sound choice products, that not only do we not own the product we purchased but we have no right to play publicly unless we get the written permission for each individual song from the respected liscensing companies?? Does this mean that perhaps sound choice will "Allow" us to play to play their music with no repercussions from SOUND CHOICE... but THEY CAN'T allow us to play without possibly getting in trouble from BMI, RIAA, ASCAP or anyone else? Just wondering... You just quoted a leasing agreement, not a purchase. The Gem series agreement does NOT apply to you....
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c. staley
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red_idol wrote: I called Ascap and talked to a lady there that said that if the venue is already paying for a jukebox or a tv contract, that they are also covered to have karaoke and dj. Does this sound inaccurate? Also they said that if the venue isnt paying the fees they are the one to get into trouble? Sound wrong? I dont know. I have done some research but I think there is no right answer. if they wanna get you they will i always say! That is incorrect. The venue pays the J.L.O. (Jukebox Licensing Office) for the jukebox and the others all have DIFFERENT LICENSING RATES if you have a DJ, Live band, Telvisions, recorded music, or karaoke.Karaoke is not "automatically covered" if they have a jukebox or a tv contract. The ASCAP license doesn't affect the entertainers, it is a contract between the venue and the performing rights society.
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johnny reverb wrote: kjathena wrote: defiantly rip-um yourself it now takes much less time than 5 years ago and you can control the quality. Would not recommend supporting a pirate site and if you download them you change viruses and porn inserted in the files( HAHA saw a pirate fired recently because porn came up in the middle of a song.....wonder how many people are filling these downloads with viruses and porn what a great idea ) That was my show..... everybody stopped singing, and the place went dead silent. All eyes glued on the big screen over the singer's head, as two men, and two women did things I didn't even know were possible. After about 5 minutes of watching, clothes started flying everywhere, and the whole show turned into one big orgy. Three minutes later we were all back to singing...... ps.....burn your own, you'll be glad you did.....jr Can I get a copy of that track??
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:39 pm |
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yes Red_Idol
There is a clause available in the BMI and ASCAP contracts that allows for karaoke in a venue paying them. They are required to notify them of what methods of entertainment they are using and pay accordingly. (TV,radio,jukebox,bands,karaoke ect) yes they even charge for radio and TV.
Your responsibility is only to ask if they are being paid ?
The woman you spoke with was correct the venue gets in trouble however that can effect you....knew a KJ years ago that spent 3 months trying to get his equipment back after BMI locked the doors due to venue not paying...he had set up early and went off to dinner and to run errands....he lost all of his other shows in the 3 months it took him and cost him for a lawyer.
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c. staley wrote: You just quoted a leasing agreement, not a purchase. The Gem series agreement does NOT apply to you.... So sound choice thinks that I am going to Lease 6000 songs for an undisclosed amount of time and then give the songs back:?:
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red_idol wrote: c. staley wrote: You just quoted a leasing agreement, not a purchase. The Gem series agreement does NOT apply to you.... So sound choice thinks that I am going to Lease 6000 songs for an undisclosed amount of time and then give the songs back:?: Sound Choice does not think that at all. It's five years and then there is the peppercorn clause that gives you three years extension at a time for $100 should you decide you want to keep them. Personally I will pay the fee if and when it comes.
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DannyG2006 wrote: It's five years and then there is the peppercorn clause that gives you three years extension at a time for $100 should you decide you want to keep them. Personally I will pay the fee if and when it comes. Where is documented? I never read the whole thing but I am sure it is in there some where. I just want to know where cause that might be worth it... maybe... I think it could be a tax write off eh?
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kjathena
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Red_Idol
If you are incorporated (or possibly DBA) the cost is deductible as a business expense same as any lease...if you own the CDG's they are also able to be depreciated at tax time(a lease can be written off completely over the lease term...CDG's purchases take 9 years per our accountant) . A lot less paperwork to keep track of too with a lease.
We do not own the GEM series yet due to having a very large number of disc (most here would not believe the volume of discs without seeing themselves)...however if/when we add a 4th system it will be one of our 1st purchases. I do think it is a fantastic quality product available at a much smaller cost than trying to buy the discs that would be required. We would also purchase the MediaPro from CB for the 4th system to add additional music at the lowest cost.
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Lonman
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red_idol wrote: kjathena wrote: Red_idol you always have to insure your venues have paid BMI,ASCAP ect to protect yourself from them taking any action (we tried for years to get a mobile licence from them directly...they will not issue one). This has nothing to do with SC CB or any other manu...it is just part of the job as a KJ or DJ.
The same as business licences for your state/ counties/cities depending on the rules in your state...or insurance to protect your interests. (not sure of the rules for C.A) but federal rules apply everywhere in the U.S.A. I called Ascap and talked to a lady there that said that if the venue is already paying for a jukebox or a tv contract, that they are also covered to have karaoke and dj. Does this sound inaccurate? Also they said that if the venue isnt paying the fees they are the one to get into trouble? Sound wrong? I dont know. I have done some research but I think there is no right answer. if they wanna get you they will i always say! That is not correct. Karaoke is an additional charge to a separate DJ coverage. The jukebox contract ONLY covers the jukebox - nothing more. If they happen to be paying for the tv (which I would bet 5000:1 they aren't) that they would need to amend the contract to add dj/karaoke to their yearly fees. Yes the clubs that are not paying to the big 3 (ascap/bmi/sesac) are the ones that would get nailed. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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red_idol wrote: c. staley wrote: You just quoted a leasing agreement, not a purchase. The Gem series agreement does NOT apply to you.... So sound choice thinks that I am going to Lease 6000 songs for an undisclosed amount of time and then give the songs back:?: I still do not believe they would ever ask for the discs back personally, but that's just me. Do they require you to delete the files from your hard drive when you are done with them? _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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They do require you delete your files once you have completed the term of your lease agreement without renewal. They also require you delete your files if you choose to separate yourself from your audit agreement.
Both stances seem reasonable to me.
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Wish I had thought to ask what track it was... I was laughing so hard when I heard the story I almost wet myself  TommyA wrote: johnny reverb wrote: kjathena wrote: defiantly rip-um yourself it now takes much less time than 5 years ago and you can control the quality. Would not recommend supporting a pirate site and if you download them you change viruses and porn inserted in the files( HAHA saw a pirate fired recently because porn came up in the middle of a song.....wonder how many people are filling these downloads with viruses and porn what a great idea ) That was my show..... everybody stopped singing, and the place went dead silent. All eyes glued on the big screen over the singer's head, as two men, and two women did things I didn't even know were possible. After about 5 minutes of watching, clothes started flying everywhere, and the whole show turned into one big orgy. Three minutes later we were all back to singing...... ps.....burn your own, you'll be glad you did.....jr Can I get a copy of that track??
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does anyone know why SC did it as a lease instead of a purchase like CB has? maybe because SC only leases the songs from Stingray as it is? don't know, just first idea i had about it. hey, SC leases them from Stingray, the leases them to me......is that a sublet?
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I would think this would be akin to buying Oxycontin for your back pain off a drug dealer on the street. Even if you have a valid prescription from your Doctor in your back pocket, it's still illegal. Paradigm Karaoke wrote: does anyone know why SC did it as a lease instead of a purchase like CB has? maybe because SC only leases the songs from Stingray as it is? don't know, just first idea i had about it. hey, SC leases them from Stingray, the leases them to me......is that a sublet? My personal opinion is enforceability. If you pirate the GEM series, it will be MUCH easier for them to come after you for breach of contract then the current methods. And it seems to be working. The GEM series has been out for over one year and there have been NO Torrents/Bootlegs/etc to my knowledge. That's pretty impressive considering that the other manu's discs are out there within hours of release.
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