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It is interesting that they are laying the ground work for their prosecutions pretty much the same way SC did. When things get hot the pirates think they can simply delete the product from their systems and avoid legal entanglement, turns out that most of the time this in not the case ie: nigel. He eliminated all Sound Choice from his system when the suits hit and then started purchasing as much of that product as he could but way too late.

Doesn't mean too late or anything else... until the court makes that decision.

This just in from:

Leanne Willis
P O Box 43
Whangaparaoa 0943
New Zealand
http://www.laserdirect.co.nz
http://www.karaoke.co.nz
Ph: 09 4241438 or 021 969435

Hi there

Thanks for your email. We allow all that download our content from authorised websites (and Tricerasoft is authorised) to be downloaded to 1 computer (as a means of transportation) and if they don’t use computer for karaoke, they have our permission to transfer from their download computer to 1 cd.

I hope that answers your question.

I asked them if their content was permitted for download by them on KaraokeDownloads.ca (Tricerisoft).

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That clears that one up, and once again clears a little more garbage from the download question.

That's nice- but has absolutely nothing to do with use in U.S. based karaoke shows.

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" Disc based and loving it..."

I happen to agree with Joe. While it may authorize the selling of the product, it doesn't mean that they are legal to use in commercial shows.

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Who is actively enforcing this law or regulation? I've purchased a couple of SBI tracks for my show. Chartbuster releases their content on SD card now - what is the difference in the method of delivery? Downloaded or copied from a portable media is still the same content.

I probably should have posted the email I sent as well so here it is:

Dear Sundown Karaoke,

I recently came across a website that has your content available to download.

http://www.tricerasoft.com/cgi-bin/Kara ... asp?Sort=9

Actually I found you by seeing Sundown on the Tricerisoft site. Then I saw you were fighting piracy in New Zealand.

I have been very much involved in the same fight in the U.S.A. & need to know, before I buy from Tricerisoft, if they have legally obtained your content for resale via download, not disc.

I will appreciate your response.

Thank you.

My inquiry had to do with their current legal battles with trademark infringement piracy here:

http://sundown.co.nz/album1_007.htm

Nowhere in their statement does it mention downloads, only disc. I wanted to make sure that Tricerisoft (KaraokeDownloads.ca) had their permission to distribute.

I am not concerned if their content is legal to use commercially, if downloaded in the U.S., even though it appears that the manu doesn't mind.

So I guess you all need watch out for the BIG BAD PUBLISHER to sue your azz off for using your downloaded Sundown Karaoke tracks here in the U.S. ~ The same would go for anyone using Supercore Discs.

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Try as I might I have still been unable to locate any law concerning the legality or illegallty downloads for commercial use, and I am actually pretty good in law research.

Thunder I agree, I've looked around a bit and find no reference online. I can understand if the disc-only folks may have been pushing that agenda in the past but with most of them on board now with the delivery method of choice, what would be the resistance? Look at music CD sales now versus downloads - not even close in numbers.

All businesses have to be responsive to what customers want - if they don't, someone else will create a business model that will eat their lunch and dinner.

I don't think you will find anything because as Joe has stated many times "No law exists there for it is illegal" which I really don't get because there are a lot of things done today where no law exists saying whether you can or can not do something and people get away with it everyday.

Same goes for Shifting there is no law written that says you can or can not shift KARAOKE. But the manu's are saying you can't do it, but do they make laws?

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Lone Wolf, it all comes back to all rights reserved. That is where the law comes in. If the rights holder of the logo on the track say you can't, then you can't, If they say okay it's okay. But in this age of piracy they are not gonna give that okay unless you can prove you are 1:1.

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Well I can prove that I am 1:1 but why should I pay someone to prove it?

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You CAN NOT make a digital copy or photo copy of someones registered trademark for commercial purposes.

The audit fees allow permission to do so.

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W.O.S., how much was the fee you paid to SC for permission?

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No disrespect intended Paradigm, but that info I am going to consider confidential considering it was on the paperwork and not listed publicly like CB has on their website. However, I will tell you that a dollar amount is required to do an audit. A flat rate for the first 3 hours then an hourly rate after that.

I would think that anyone who contacts SC for an audit, or even just asks the question, can get SC's audit fee structure directly from them.

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If that is going to be the way then 99.999% of all the KJ's in the world are Illegal yea I went that far because I figure there are only about 50, (if that many), in the world, (yea world because their products are sold world wide), that have went through audits and paid their "SIN TAX" to the "Karaoke Lords".

I can see proving you are 1:1 if they want you to but to DEMAND payment is another subject kinda like getting your drivers license and then paying a cop just to show it to him so he can make sure you are legal to drive.

So I'm guessing just those select few that happened to live close enough to SC,CB or whoever get a "FREE PASS", (yea I said it), and the rest have to pay.

Some how I don't think the "FREE PASSERS" will pay next year.

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Lone Wolf

Why do you think it was a free pass? And who lived close enough?

People showed up for those audits from FL, VA, TN, CT, CO and NC, who knows where else at our own expense, we all also paid for hotel rooms, meals, etc., none of it was "free pass". None of it was really in our backyards even those in Carolina drove 2+ hours to get there Lee drove 7 1/2, I drove 5 1/2, others drove as much as 14 hours maybe more.

I spent a lot more than $200 on that trip as did everyone else (at least sandman can probably say multiply that by 4) and yet we have people here who would complain about spending $200 for the audit to come to them, frankly I just don't get it.

Let's simply distill it down to what it really is: protection money.

Period.

I'm sure that there are those, (like KJAthena for example) that are using computers, are "certified" and have never paid a dime. Including those that have been dismissed from suits.

What Thunder failed to mention was the "reward" they received for attending the SC singalong party was a further discount on the discs they purchased onsite which added up to much more than they spent on gasoline or hotel rooms.

Excuse me c. staley but you are simply making things up.

Your statements have no basis in fact.

I know because I was there and I am a witness who has direct knowledge of the facts as a result.

c. staley, you do yourself a disservice when you succumb to your grudges.

btw... I brought about 100 Zoom CD+G's to that meeting as well. SC's working with Zoom is nothing new to me.

I'd be willing to present my discs to ANY manufacturer who wants to know if I bought my tracks through legitimate sources. Any time.

I do not see this as a problem. Rather, I see it as a method through which I can be secure in the knowledge that my reputation is not going to be impugned by any lawsuit regarding trademark infringement.

Call me crazy, but from where I'm sitting, I'm on top and unafraid. I'm free to use whatever materials are available to me to continue with the successful operation of my karaoke hosting business without exception.

You are partially right on one portion of your statement... I did receive discounts on merchandise that were worth a considerable amount in savings. However, you are incorrect in your assumption that those discounts in total, would offset my travel & lodging expenses.

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