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Awesome!

These pirates are going to have the lamest shows....

On another note, just about done with corporate taxes & should have Skype set up for audits soon with you guys....

Thank you Chartbuster for taking action!

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A detail that should not be overlooked or minimized is that Big Mama has standing as a legitimate karaoke establishment: "Big Mama's Karaoke Cafe".

They also have grounds to sue for damages from unfair business practices. Those of us who were at the meeting in Charlotte last November were informed of the strategy to include venues as defendants in these suits.

Contributory infringement as well as unfair business practices should wake up the management of these places as to the risks of not verifying (as is your business obligation) that they are hiring legal karaoke hosts or purchasing legal karaoke media.

Hell NuTech i'm surprised is still doing anything under that name after they were busted back in 95-96 era for taking songs from other manus & using them as their own tracks. Some of their earlier discs had many rip off's musically.

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Nothing should supprise you since there are kjs that think and brag that it is ok to use stolen karaoke tracks in their venues. It be a crazy world!

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love to know the main reason's for everyone being so upset over illegal cdg's.

1-is it that they take your jobs by working cheaper? and is that always the case?

2-is it that if they get shut down you stand a better chance at getting there gig?

3-is it that you just hate seeing other's not only getting by but making money at something you spent thousands to buil up?

4-would you turn those people in if you knew they were illegal?

5-do you think THE business would be better off without them...NOT your business but karaoke in general?

6-do you feel that by them having so many tracks that maybe there have been job's created where there were none before?

7-is it because your jealous because there getting by so much cheaper then you did/do?

8-is being legal THAT important to you, are just a way to squeeze them out?

9-do you feel your show is suffering from a lack of tracks?

10-would it make a different in your show if you had more tracks? and would you see that different in let's say more pay?
love to know those answer's. and ty

YES to 1-5 and 8

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1-is it that they take your jobs by working cheaper? and is that always the case?
Yes and yes
2-is it that if they get shut down you stand a better chance at getting there gig?
yes
3-is it that you just hate seeing other's not only getting by but making money at something you spent thousands to buil up?
yes
4-would you turn those people in if you knew they were illegal?
yes
5-do you think THE business would be better off without them...NOT your business but karaoke in general?
yes
6-do you feel that by them having so many tracks that maybe there have been job's created where there were none before?
no
7-is it because your jealous because there getting by so much cheaper then you did/do?
no
8-is being legal THAT important to you, are just a way to squeeze them out?
yes
9-do you feel your show is suffering from a lack of tracks?
no
10-would it make a different in your show if you had more tracks? and would you see that different in let's say more pay?
yes and yes

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1-is it that they take your jobs by working cheaper? and is that always the case?
Yes, they do work cheaper and according to federal laws, breaking a law which creates an unfair advantage is business is also against the law.
No. I have said on here before that legal karaoke hosts with 1,000 songs and nothing from this century have done way more damage to the reputation of karaoke than the pirate with 175,000 songs.

2-is it that if they get shut down you stand a better chance at getting there gig?
Hell yes. They have no legal right to be offering this type of business. I have many thousands of dollars tied up in music that needs to be put back to work.

3-is it that you just hate seeing other's not only getting by but making money at something you spent thousands to buil up?
Absolutely. I followed the letter of the law and did what I was supposed to do. It’s nothing personal, its just business.

4-would you turn those people in if you knew they were illegal?
Absolutely I would.

5-do you think THE business would be better off without them...NOT your business but karaoke in general?
Yes. It will put profit back in karaoke for the honest KJs as well as the pirates who manage to stay under the radar.

6-do you feel that by them having so many tracks that maybe there have been job's created where there were none before?
No. The consumers would have spent their money somewhere else. They might have gone to another bar or bought a pair of shoes. Unless there is an increase in a consumer’s propensity to save money instead of spend it, you can then assume that their money went to another business.

7-is it because your jealous because there getting by so much cheaper then you did/do?
I think you already asked this, but yes. If a business owner must abide by certain laws, then there should be consequences for those businesses that don’t. If I invest money into my business, I do so expecting to make money. When a competitor breaks laws to gain an unfair business advantage, that’s not fair.

8-is being legal THAT important to you, are just a way to squeeze them out?
If it was about filing for a business license, I wouldn’t care. But, since being legal in this context means that they circumvented the law and are offering what is essentially stolen material to my would-be clients at a fraction of what it should cost them, yes – it is about being legal AND about squeezing them out.

9-do you feel your show is suffering from a lack of tracks?
Absolutely not. I have a great selection of music that is updated monthly. I might not have every song from the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s, but I don’t want to run those types of shows anyway.

10-would it make a different in your show if you had more tracks? and would you see that different in let's say more pay?[/b]
No, as I mentioned above, I don’t need more tracks. And, would I see a difference in pay? Yes, pay is based partly on the number of songs you have. The more songs, the more customers. If you can’t bring in or bring back the customers, then you won’t have that show for long. So, maybe not on a nightly basis, but pay is related to the number of songs you have.

love to know those answer's. and ty

Yer welcome.

That is part of it, they do tend to work much cheaper and generally don't take much pride in the job itself, but that isn't all of it. They have also created a saturation in the market that has hurt legal operators all over the country.



Don't really care about getting their gigs it gets back to the point made in question one of saturation which has lowered the prices over the years according to what I have read. By eliminating pirate host it also limits the number of venues and creates a higher demand for those that are legal and with higher demand comes higher rates.



Well Yes!




Will, would and have!




See point made in Question #2



? Not sure what you are asking here? Are you asking if using stolen music and unfair competition has created a job for the pirate then yes it has!




Jealous... NO! Pissed that someone is stealing to get what I paid for YES!




Yes not being a thief is that important to me, I would much rather see them prosecuted criminally than simply squeezed out. But if sqeezing them out is the only alternative then I am good with that as well!



I have a little over 7,000 tracks, I very seldom have anyone ask for something I don't have unless it hasn't been done on karaoke or is extremely new (which I will get fairly quickly) so no that is not a problem.



No the elimination of pirates will allow those who are legal to see a difference in pay based on their popularity as a host!

Back in the early 90's i started a karaoke show with the first chartbuster essential and 20 or so select sound choice discs. I had a ton of equipment from my band days so that part was easy. Keeping all of 200 bucks for a show beat splitting the money 4 or 5 ways in a band and was almost a much fun. I liked karaoke and going with cdgs offered a way to get more money for a show over straight cd playing which everyone was doing and doing cheaply. With the advent of computer karaoke and the ability to pirate that distinction was no longer there and the competition from pirates was driving down the price. So yes I'm glad they are going after the pirates. I offer a premium product and want to continue to get a premium price for it. Piracy is theft. If it continues it will eventually kill Karaoke because the companies producing the discs will not be able to make a profit. I want as many companies making discs as possible. That gives us variety, and price competition. Pirates live irrational lives, it is not in their best interest to steal.

I'm not a host just an enthusiast. I resent the illegal cdgs for two reasons that are not in your list:

I despise thieves of any kind

The manufacturers won't make more music if they can't make a profit.

Tomin, BINGO.

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Just curious what the rules might be up here in Ontario, Canada. Karaoke isn't overly popular in our area, but the select places where we do have karaoke, I often question these exact same things...?

Do you think its the same up here with Piracy, or is it focused in the states?

It's in Canada too, just check kijiji on harddrives. A DJ in Canada may format shift their library to computer provided they have an AVLA licence. Unfortunately karaoke is not included due to different licencing.

www.avla.ca

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[quote="Tater ToT ToT @ Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:37 pm"]love to know the main reason's for everyone being so upset over illegal cdg's.

1-is it that they take your jobs by working cheaper? and is that always the case?

usually the case, though not always. the reason they can do it cheaper is they are stealing their supplies

2-is it that if they get shut down you stand a better chance at getting there gig?

they go, less saturation. not to get their gigs, but the people will have to go elsewhere to sing

3-is it that you just hate seeing other's not only getting by but making money at something you spent thousands to buil up?

by stealing their supplies? yup

4-would you turn those people in if you knew they were illegal?

have and will

5-do you think THE business would be better off without them...NOT your business but karaoke in general?

yes. absolutely. fewer pirate shows means larger legit shows, the singers gotta go somewhere. i make more money, and buy even more discs adding to the manus bottom line as well. the only ones who do NOT benefit from this are the pirates who were stealing the stuff anyway. anyone who has money invested in the industry wins.

6-do you feel that by them having so many tracks that maybe there have been job's created where there were none before?

how can they possibly create jobs by stealing? SC has collapsed to 10 people, CB has had to downsize drasticly as well because they are losing money from people stealing the music. not only have they not created jobs, they have cost the industry jobs.

7-is it because your jealous because there getting by so much cheaper then you did/do?

not jealous, pissed. why are they better than me that they don't have to follow the rules?

8-is being legal THAT important to you, are just a way to squeeze them out?

yes it is that important to me. and even if it wasn't, the bar has to play by the rules or suffer the consequences. as a business owner there are rules i must follow, but they don't? if the bar owner was stealing his beer from a truck and selling it would that be ok? hell no. what makes the pirates even worse is that the beer is expendable. sell it once and you are done with it. these guys keep selling their stolen library every night. it's like starting a rental car business by stealing cars.

9-do you feel your show is suffering from a lack of tracks?

not really. i have about 10,000 unique titles and i try to get what people ask me for and it is mostly newer stuff i just haven't picked up yet.

10-would it make a different in your show if you had more tracks? and would you see that different in let's say more pay?

maybe....but mostly for the obscure "what the hell is that" songs. diff in pay, only when trying to compete with someone who has over $100,000 in stolen music. it would be like getting into amateur racing with a $100,000 car and trying to get sponsors against a guy with a $500,000 Porsche that he stole. but in that case, he would be prosecuted, karaoke pirates are to be excused?

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Maybe Chartbuster, if the tracks in question were not on the permanent injunction list, even if still in circulation. I wouldn't bother with SC, since none of their tracks- per Kurt- are licensed here in the U.S.

However, going back to CB- if they actually investigated, UNLIKE SC, and found real evidence PRIOR to breaking horns- then I'm all for 'em!

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Just out of curiosity- who, on this forum, do you describe as a "pirate supporter"? Names?

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